Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932554AbVLFOX4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932589AbVLFOX4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:56 -0500 Received: from bay24-f4.bay24.hotmail.com ([64.4.18.54]:35895 "EHLO hotmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932554AbVLFOXz (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [195.238.198.245] X-Originating-Email: [aimo.asiakas@hotmail.com] From: "Aimo Asiakas" To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:23:52 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 14:23:53.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF2277C0:01C5FA70] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2863 Lines: 57 >greg k-h > >[1] My usual response is, "If we are so dumb, why are you using the kernel > made by us?", which usually stops the conversation right there. This is indeed a very good question. Maybe Greg is right and we really should not be using their kernel. There are alternatives that are open source and equally good if not better (BSD, Solaris). Linux is made for the members of the Linux community (family) who understand how important it is to get all the hardware details and other trade secrets made available public domain. This is a live and death issue to the community because it lmakes it possible to hackers to continue to hack. Binary (only) drivers are considered evil because then may cause the hardware information flow to hackers to stop forever. Linux should be made the dominating desktop OS so that stupid hardware companies will be forced to realize that resistence is futile. But what do the desktop customers (the ones who should start using Linux) expect? We would expect that Linux works with the hardware we have or whatever we decide to buy. And more important we expect that the applications we need are available for Linux. Do we care about hackers' right to free hardware information? No. This means that we users are complete morons and we should be brainwashed to realize how cool thing Linux is. So the conclusion is that we (potential) customers should grow up to the level where we can fully understand the importance of the Linux movement. The kernel community in turn does the right thing in trying to enforce pure GPL even if it causes some unavoidable damage to usability of Linux. Linux will sooner or later dominate the desktop. Until that happens we we users should support the effort of the development community and happily suffer from hardware compatibility problems (or user some less state-of-the-art hardware). Or should we? As I said maybe Greg's opinion is correct. We stupid morons should let the kernel guys to play with their nice sandbox in whatever way they like. We don't contribute anything to the kernel so we definitely don't have any vote on what they do or don't do. We should stop raising idiotic issues like unbanning binary only drivers. Instead by moving to some other open source kernel we can improve the S/N ratio of this mailing list. This gives the kernel community good working peace to build as pure GPL kernel as they like. Regards, Aimo _________________________________________________________________ Nopea ja hauska tapa l?hett?? viestej? reaaliaikaisesti - MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.fi - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/