Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965030AbVLFTOU (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:14:20 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965032AbVLFTOU (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:14:20 -0500 Received: from mail.dvmed.net ([216.237.124.58]:5272 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965030AbVLFTOT (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4395E2F4.7000308@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:13:56 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Gerst CC: Arjan van de Ven , "M." , Andrea Arcangeli , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <43944F42.2070207@didntduck.org> <20051206030828.GA823@opteron.random> <1133869465.4836.11.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <4394ECA7.80808@didntduck.org> In-Reply-To: <4394ECA7.80808@didntduck.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "srv2.dvmed.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Brian Gerst wrote: > Once again I'd like to point out that user's purchase power means jack > when they only have two choices for video: ATI and Nvidia. You can't > walk into a computer store and find anything else (I don't count > integrated video on the motherboard as a solution, since only Intel > boards have it, sorry AMD users). Even over the web it's hard to find > anything else. I'm not trying to defend closed source here, but you > people just have to face the reality that trying to use the market to > get our way is just not going to work with video. The only way forward > is reverse engineering. We aren't going to get help from the vendors so > we have to help ourselves. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address [69.134.188.146 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1139 Lines: 26 Brian Gerst wrote: > Once again I'd like to point out that user's purchase power means jack > when they only have two choices for video: ATI and Nvidia. You can't > walk into a computer store and find anything else (I don't count > integrated video on the motherboard as a solution, since only Intel > boards have it, sorry AMD users). Even over the web it's hard to find > anything else. I'm not trying to defend closed source here, but you > people just have to face the reality that trying to use the market to > get our way is just not going to work with video. The only way forward > is reverse engineering. We aren't going to get help from the vendors so > we have to help ourselves. It sure looks that way. Let's hope the rev-eng people do it the right way, by having one team write a document, and a totally separate team write the driver from that document. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/