Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030212AbVLFTll (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:41:41 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030213AbVLFTll (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:41:41 -0500 Received: from mail.dvmed.net ([216.237.124.58]:32152 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030212AbVLFTlk (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:41:40 -0500 Message-ID: <4395E962.2060309@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:41:22 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Revell CC: Brian Gerst , Arjan van de Ven , "M." , Andrea Arcangeli , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <43944F42.2070207@didntduck.org> <20051206030828.GA823@opteron.random> <1133869465.4836.11.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <4394ECA7.80808@didntduck.org> <4395E2F4.7000308@pobox.com> <1133897867.29084.14.camel@mindpipe> In-Reply-To: <1133897867.29084.14.camel@mindpipe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "srv2.dvmed.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:13 -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: >>Let's hope the rev-eng people do it the right way, by having one team >>write a document, and a totally separate team write the driver from >>that document. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address [69.134.188.146 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 833 Lines: 21 Lee Revell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 14:13 -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: >>Let's hope the rev-eng people do it the right way, by having one team >>write a document, and a totally separate team write the driver from >>that document. > Isn't it also legal for a single person or team to capture all IO > to/from the device with a bus analyzer or kernel debugger and write a > driver from that, as long as you don't disassemble the original driver? It's still legally shaky. The "Chinese wall" approach I described above is beyond reproach, and that's where Linux needs to be. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/