Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932558AbVLGABs (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:01:48 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932661AbVLGABs (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:01:48 -0500 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.93.40.71]:10440 "EHLO holomorphy.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932558AbVLGABs (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:01:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:01:03 -0800 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Alistair John Strachan Cc: Pekka Enberg , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Message-ID: <20051207000103.GD2838@holomorphy.com> References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <84144f020512050507h3f41bfecuc9f3e13fd23fde98@mail.gmail.com> <200512051844.56838.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200512051844.56838.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3709 Lines: 64 On 12/5/05, William Lee Irwin III wrote: >>> I expect the closed source IP affairs rather to keep chipping away >>> until Linux is dead, or they get tired and change strategies to kill it, >>> versus any sudden changes of course. On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:44:56PM +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > The problem with this approach is the tiny size of the minority of customers > using ATI's video cards on a non-Windows OS. > I think the only way we can persuade vendors to not take the direction that > Arjan speculates they will, is to increase the Linux userbase (and therefore > ATI customers using Linux) by making "Desktop Linux" increasingly competent. > As easy as it is to be pessimistic about binary vendor lockin, there's still > places in industry, government and inevitably the general public where Linux > is slowly starting to take off as a real desktop alternative to Windows. > When this happens, vendors will just have to solve all the IP nonsense > associated with their hardware, or design hardware to be more dependent on > firmware so that largely open source drivers are more feasible for them. Linux has exempted itself from IP regulations of various countries by a form of jurisdictional arbitrage, especially in the realms of reverse engineering and cryptography. These sorts of IP regulations have strong support from entrenched hardware, software, and entertainment interests, and as the establishment of international/supranational regulatory agencies proceeds and as regulatory "harmonizations" advance, this jurisdictional arbitrage will become progressively more difficult to continue. In particular, the "intellectual property" lobbyists, unless challenged on a scale heretofore unseen, are likely to attempt to convince individual governments to implement similar regulations one by one as well as use such international/supranational affairs as the WTO, EUCD, et al to impose such on countries otherwise disinclined to do so. In particular, there is word of an initiative in France that threatens to ban Linux and possibly all open-source software outright as containing insufficient protections against the illegal dissemination of copyrighted works, and/or as presenting some sort of threat to royalty-based software, and/or (if I understand the notion properly) an "illegal subsidy" to competitors of for-profit software firms, as public utilities and other nonprofit and/or governmentally-erected infrastructure have been ruled to be in various other instances. In essence, a counterpart of the DMCA which declares open source software and/or Linux a technology that can circumvent copyright protection, if the DMCA doesn't do so itself. Also, IP issues related to hardware are unlikely to stand still. As observed earlier, several hardware vendors are looking to close their driver source or to only offer binary drivers in the future. The jurisdictional arbitrage under which the reverse engineering so common for the implementation of open source drivers takes place is also rather likely to be thwarted by similar attempts to promote legislation to the above entertainment-related efforts. So, as seen above, the "IP issues," if they're getting resolved at all, don't appear to be getting resolved in Linux' favor. To all appearances, there is literally an effort to legislate Linux out of existence. One might call this "lawfare" (warfare through legislation) against Linux. -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/