Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751698AbVLGSWq (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:22:46 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751699AbVLGSWp (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:22:45 -0500 Received: from fmr24.intel.com ([143.183.121.16]:4519 "EHLO scsfmr004.sc.intel.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751697AbVLGSWp (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:22:45 -0500 From: Jesse Barnes To: "Randy.Dunlap" Subject: Re: Runs with Linux (tm) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:22:35 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.92 Cc: Benjamin LaHaise , Dirk Steuwer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051207141720.GA533@kvack.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512071022.35900.jesse.barnes@intel.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1610 Lines: 33 On Wednesday, December 7, 2005 10:13 am, Randy.Dunlap wrote: > > This is something I've wanted to see for years now. Linux > > distributions do not have the motivation to work out the hardware > > certification issues on the community level, as it interferes with > > their value add of branding. I have always wished that when I see > > hardware advertising Linux support that it has a meaning: open > > source, supportable drivers. Maybe it's time to get such a project > > moving. > > Yes, the problem afaict is the "works with Linux(notm)" crowd, > e.g., those companies who see ndiswrapper as a way to say > "works with Linux." I don't see how the Runs with Linux(tm) > org can keep them from saying "works with Linux" and confusing > uses with that, but IANAL. Maybe "Linux native support" or > some such words could be used to mean your "open source, > supportable drivers." I think it's pretty clear that the brand would have to entail a very specific meaning, like "drivers for this device are open source and in the upstream kernel" or somesuch. Anything else would dilute the meaning of a penguin sticker (or whatever it is) so much as to be useless I think, as you point out. Now, who's in a position to make this happen? Maybe Linux International? (I think Maddog mentioned something like this at a Kernel Summit a few years ago.) Jesse - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/