Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751225AbVLGUTN (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932237AbVLGUTN (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:13 -0500 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:47580 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751214AbVLGUTM (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:19:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario From: Arjan van de Ven To: Andrea Arcangeli Cc: "Randy.Dunlap" , Rik van Riel , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20051207201612.GV28539@opteron.random> References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <1133857767.2858.25.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1133981708.2869.54.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051207201612.GV28539@opteron.random> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:19:02 +0100 Message-Id: <1133986742.2869.65.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.0.4 on pentafluge.infradead.org summary: Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address [213.93.14.173 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 1.7 RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL RBL: NJABL: dialup sender did non-local SMTP [213.93.14.173 listed in combined.njabl.org] X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1686 Lines: 34 On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 21:16 +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 07:55:08PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > the biggest pitfal by having this done by a commercial entity or an > > entity with commercial funding is that there is a LOT of pressure to > > call things with binary drivers also certified/working. > > It has to be an entity that can resist that pressure; if OSDL can, > > great. But their funding is partially from sources that will try to put > > that pressure on I suspect... > > So I would almost rather have a separate "kicked off and supported by > > OSDL" organisation with its own charter than have OSDL do it itself. I > > can imagine OSDL feeling the same as well ... > > I don't like to see an entity doing this: if an organization (no matter > if for-profit or no-profit) will do it, they may ask vendors to pay to > be added to the "certified list". yeah I agree that would be not good. providing a good open driver should be reward already, not be a reason to be asked for more money > A moinmoin wiki.kernel.org should work fine and it takes 10 minutes to > set it up. Let's use the community to build this list. Perhaps > wiki.kernel.org could also be used to document some kernel stuff later > on. the problem with this is that with wiki's you get a sliding scope wrt criteria; I mean, many people will say nvidia graphics work great with linux... and the wiki will represent that ;( - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/