Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751770AbVLGVGt (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:06:49 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751678AbVLGVGt (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:06:49 -0500 Received: from magic.adaptec.com ([216.52.22.17]:52131 "EHLO magic.adaptec.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750753AbVLGVGt convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:06:49 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Subject: RE: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <547AF3BD0F3F0B4CBDC379BAC7E4189F01EE9BB3@otce2k03.adaptec.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Thread-Index: AcX7ay/wFUpUcrEPR3iIvdyEqkS8vwAAP3bw From: "Salyzyn, Mark" To: "Andrea Arcangeli" , "Arjan van de Ven" Cc: "Randy.Dunlap" , "Rik van Riel" , "William Lee Irwin III" , Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2675 Lines: 52 Andrea Arcangeli writes: > Furthermroe I would suggest to use the kernel.org website, to leave it neutral. Don't you mean 'leaving it political', kernel.org is hardly neutral. Neutrality is usually handled by a single trusted entity such as a Judge ;-/ and not by a committee or a democracy. This issue is hardly black-and-white. The Hardware Vendors are hardly monolithic. Markets are not always just horizontal, or just vertical. For instance, there are reasons, somewhat outside the control of the Hardware Vendor, for binary drivers. Often, in the hopes of achieving standards compliance, Hardware vendors are cornered by legalities over the copyright associated with those standards that ties their hands either from releasing interface documentation or from releasing source code. Yet all these vendors would be overjoyed to have Linux drivers for their Hardware in order to increase the sales of their products. The users are overjoyed when they have a wide variety of useful hardware products to select. The market is overjoyed when there is competition. Linux gains popularity when the users are placated, increasing the interest in funding projects, engineers and organizations associated with Linux. Call this trickle down economics if you want. Locking out the Hardware is counterproductive for all to varying degrees (I agree that locking out the details is also counterproductive, do not misconstrue my argument). The current state of affairs where binary-only drivers are grudgingly handled and politically sensitive offers the balance that urges these Hardware Vendors to pursue open source variants or to move initial binary-only offerings eventually in the future towards an open-source solution when conditions change to permit it. Thus without hurting the OS, the users or the Hardware vendors; with the timely delivery of advanced hardware. Without an open door, that piece of hardware, or the market window, will pass Linux by. Despise the results, by all means. Plan to protect copyrights that binaries may violate, that is a noble duty. Remain forever vigilant against encroachment. But please stop planning a revolt, locking the door, constructing conspiracy theories or creating scenarios of utter destruction and mayhem. Sleep with the enemy when you have mutual gain (keep a loaded gun under the pillow to keep him honest ;-> ). Sincerely -- Mark Salyzyn Death of the net predicted, news at 11 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/