Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964936AbVLGX65 (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:58:57 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965027AbVLGX65 (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from relay03.pair.com ([209.68.5.17]:6158 "HELO relay03.pair.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S964936AbVLGX64 (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:58:56 -0500 X-pair-Authenticated: 67.163.102.102 From: Chase Venters To: Jon Smirl Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:59:14 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.1 Cc: Alan Cox , Arjan van de Ven , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1133996869.544.112.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9e4733910512071541s1a6215d9pb166bb27e2c579f9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e4733910512071541s1a6215d9pb166bb27e2c579f9@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Clientec, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512071759.14958.chase.venters@clientec.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1995 Lines: 42 On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:41 pm, Jon Smirl wrote: > Can the Linux community justify using ruthless means to force > documentation out of vendors? Asking politely doesn't seem to be > working - I suspect it may take something of this magnitude to force > a change out of NVidia/ATI. Is this a vote? Cause you have mine. :) Seriously, there is a danger in the move being seen by the press as too adversarial, but with everything I've been reading and seeing lately, I'm starting to think that the NVidia/ATI situation may be the single largest danger to Linux. I'm sorry to have not followed the entire "Small PCI Core Patch" thread and reference it anyway, but would any device class in Linux be in *near* as much danger as the video drivers if Greg's patch was a reality? I seem to have the impression that there would be alternative wireless drivers, SCSI drivers, etc... I think you'd want to try to be more political, naturally. It could start by gently suggesting to NVIDIA or ATI that they join a patent commons project (where these offensive patents will also reside). They open their driver and agree to allow the open source driver to use their patents, then in return the commons agrees to defend them from backlash. But that might not work - things might just heat up. Who would you go after first - NVIDIA or ATI? The underdog or the current leader? A threat of losing your market leadership, or of being seriously beaten while you are already down? If we got an open graphics driver from one of these two (or, hell, even the ability to make one), I would hope that would give us the boost we need to, after a short while, finish kicking binary drivers out for good. But perhaps I'm still dreaming. - Chase - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/