Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030437AbVLHD24 (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:28:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030439AbVLHD24 (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:28:56 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.198]:49453 "EHLO zproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030437AbVLHD2z convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:28:55 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TaM20T3hFWlrfz7rrJOIc/f+n3rIm6NGNKJ6L+AVyociP1dqrecDsY3aKfmPPRj+PwH3jvzTxOof4KbSzA2WxC3k0PKvsQfkJwNRhJNrCMJ5Th92eAmf9GDl76KCWwWGFGpqaHl+kVN3U4uQgV/Uvg65b6TpwZ6qi5gDVcBg5ns= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:28:52 +0900 From: Magnus Damm To: Jeffrey Hundstad Subject: Re: Runs with Linux (tm) Cc: Benjamin LaHaise , Lee Revell , Dirk Steuwer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <439760FF.3060605@mnsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <43944F42.2070207@didntduck.org> <20051206104652.GB3354@favonius> <20051207141720.GA533@kvack.org> <1133982741.17901.32.camel@mindpipe> <20051207194746.GG533@kvack.org> <439760FF.3060605@mnsu.edu> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1762 Lines: 42 On 12/8/05, Jeffrey Hundstad wrote: > Benjamin LaHaise wrote: > > >On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:12:20PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > >>If even some "Linux-friendly" hardware manufacturers barely cooperate > >>with the Linux comminuty now what makes you think this would work? > >> > >> > > > >Nothing in life is guaranteed. But at the very least, I think it would > >be a good step towards improving the Linux end user experience. Instead > >of the unclear mess we have now (Is it supported? Check with your > >vendor!), we would be able to say "Look for the Linux Certified logo". > >Combine that with a standard format for source code driver disks, and > >it would be a good step in the right direction. > > > > > > > The problem as I see it: > > A hardware vendor hires someone to write a driver. The driver is > completed and submitted and finally makes it into the kernel. It's > fully GPL and everyone is happy. The hardware gets a "Native Linux > Support" logo. The card goes out of favor and no one is interested in > maintaining the driver, it is marked obsolete and finally removed from > the kernel. ...the logo still suggests the hardware will work. I think "Designed for Windows" has the same problem. I know some hardware that works well with Win98 but no driver exist for XP. Fortunately that hardware works with Linux... I would say the fix is "Runs with Linux(tm) 2005-2006" and the hardware vendor finances maintainance during the specified period. / magnus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/