Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932272AbVLHTiO (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932288AbVLHTiO (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Received: from viper.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.4]:34703 "HELO viper.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932272AbVLHTiO (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Subject: Re: AW: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario From: Lee Revell To: dirk@steuwer.de Cc: rdunlap@xenotime.net, wli@holomorphy.com, riel@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org, diegocg@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <6798653.142371134056986823.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <6798653.142371134056986823.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:38:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1134070683.3919.26.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1706 Lines: 37 On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 16:49 +0100, dirk@steuwer.de wrote: > Yes, i can see the problem. > How about interconnecting it with the bugtracker? > If there is a bug, and if it is related to some hardware, it is logged > in the database as broken for that kernel version. If the bug is > fixed, support status is ok again. > All that needs to be done is entering the device once into the > database, status is broken by default, and take it from there? > Then it gets some goals (similar to bugs) assigned if it is a complex > device. i.e. for a graphic device: > * 2d graphic support > * 3d graphic support > * framebuffer > * vesa This is a grave oversimplification of how it would work. Look at sound hardware, vendors come out with new devices so fast that it would be a full time job to keep that ALSA wiki 100% accurate. At least half the bugs that users report aren't real bugs. There are gazillions of small variations of the same device. Vendors are deceptive at best and lie through their teeth at worst. A "Sound Blaster Live! SB0410" could use a COMPLETELY different and VASTLY inferior chipset to a "Sound Blaster Live! SB0350". They release two devices with identical PCI ids but different hardware. And they don't tell us word one about their plans. Often the users know a lot better than the developers do what devices are supported to what degree. Etc. If we followed your scheme 95% of supported hardware would be listed as broken. Lee - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/