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From:   Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/entry/64: randomize kernel stack offset upon syscall
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 11:41:11AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:
> I want to summarize here the data (including the performance numbers)
> and reasoning for the in-stack randomization feature. I have organized
> it in a simple set of Q&A below.

Thanks for these!

> The in-stack randomization is really a very small change both code wise and
> logic wise.
> It does not affect real workloads and does not require enablement of other
> features (such as GCC plugins).
> So, I think we should really reconsider its inclusion.

I'd agree: the code is tiny and while the benefit can't point to a
specific issue, it does point to the general weakness of the stack
offset being predictable which has been a core observation for many
stack-based attacks.

If we're going to save state between syscalls (like the 4096 random
bytes pool), how about instead we just use a single per-CPU long mixed
with rdtsc saved at syscall exit. That should be a reasonable balance
between all the considerations and make it trivial for the feature to
be a boot flag without the extra page of storage, etc.

-- 
Kees Cook