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From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] [RFC] arm64: Add support for idle bit in swap PTE
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On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 06-08-19 20:07:37, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 12:47:55PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Tue 06-08-19 06:36:27, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 10:42:03AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > On Mon 05-08-19 13:04:49, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > > > > This bit will be used by idle page tracking code to correctly identify
> > > > > > if a page that was swapped out was idle before it got swapped out.
> > > > > > Without this PTE bit, we lose information about if a page is idle or not
> > > > > > since the page frame gets unmapped.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And why do we need that? Why cannot we simply assume all swapped out
> > > > > pages to be idle? They were certainly idle enough to be reclaimed,
> > > > > right? Or what does idle actualy mean here?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but other than swapping, in Android a page can be forced to be swapped
> > > > out as well using the new hints that Minchan is adding?
> > > 
> > > Yes and that is effectivelly making them idle, no?
> > 
> > 1. mark page-A idle which was present at that time.
> > 2. run workload
> > 3. page-A is touched several times
> > 4. *sudden* memory pressure happen so finally page A is finally swapped out
> > 5. now see the page A idle - but it's incorrect.
> 
> Could you expand on what you mean by idle exactly? Why pageout doesn't
> really qualify as "mark-idle and reclaim"? Also could you describe a
> usecase where the swapout distinction really matters and it would lead
> to incorrect behavior?

Michal,
Did you read this post ? :
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190806104715.GC218260@google.com/T/#m4ece68ceaf6e54d4d29e974f5f4c1080e733f6c1

Just wanted to be sure you did not miss it.

thanks,

 - Joel