Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964818AbVLMJIX (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:08:23 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964822AbVLMJIW (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:08:22 -0500 Received: from dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.53.140]:51685 "EHLO grelber.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964818AbVLMJIU (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:08:20 -0500 From: Rob Landley Organization: Boundaries Unlimited To: Arjan van de Ven Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:07:07 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: Pavel Machek , Brian Gerst , Andrea Arcangeli , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <200512122000.45679.rob@landley.net> <1134460576.2866.14.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> In-Reply-To: <1134460576.2866.14.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512130307.08413.rob@landley.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2847 Lines: 56 On Tuesday 13 December 2005 01:56, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > t best. > > > > > And you don't have to be Linux user to refuse closed hardware. Having > > > option in future is always good.x > > > > If Linux desktop users are less than 5% of the laptop buying population, > > a more effective technique would be to focus purchases on small companies > > that _do_ provide things we can use. > > however, in areas where margins are really thin, like consumer PC > hardware, 5% of revenue is the difference between a loss and a profit. With thin margins, 5% of volume isn't the same thing as 5% revenue. It may be 5% of _profit_, but unless fixed costs being amortized are a dominant factor the whole point of thin margins is that it costs you almost as much to produce as you sell it for. More importantly, if they can't trace the loss back to what made the difference, then it doesn't matter. And very few things at this level have only one cause. When less than 1% of the planet's population ever bought the product in the first place, a few more not buying it really doesn't register easily. Making a change may net you $5 million and cost you $10 million elsewhere. (Hence boycotts either not being noticed or being attributed to tidal forces and brownian motion. And most of them simply _aren't_ big enough to make a difference. There are groups out that regularly claim responsibility for the sun coming up. Decision makers learn to filter this stuff out.) Now large customers that purchase lots of stuff in blocks can easily get their needs noticed at the negotiating table. "Not supporting X will cost your company this $$$ million contract". They don't have to find this out via data mining or surveys, there's a big check with explicit strings attached. > And if we can have official 'works well' and 'don't buy' lists, the PR > around that can help make that impact, especially if people who don't > run linux yet but might in the future also start to pay attention to > this list. Bad publicity, and good publicity for competitors, is something that can get noticed, yes. But being able to translate it into actual dollar values is noticeably more effective. Showing an $x dollar market that wouldn't exist without Linux-motivated purchases is one way to do that. Expecting windows users to make purchasing decisions based on a Linux compatability list goes a bit beyond wishful thinking, though. Rob -- Steve Ballmer: Innovation! Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/