Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964943AbVLMRCo (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:02:44 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964946AbVLMRCo (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:02:44 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]:61333 "EHLO vms040pub.verizon.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964943AbVLMRCn (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:02:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:02:30 -0500 From: Gene Heskett Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario In-reply-to: <439E8565.3000900@aitel.hist.no> To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Message-id: <200512131202.30743.gene.heskett@verizon.net> Organization: None, usuallly detectable by casual observers MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <547AF3BD0F3F0B4CBDC379BAC7E4189F01EE9BB3@otce2k03.adaptec.com> <439E8565.3000900@aitel.hist.no> User-Agent: KMail/1.7 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2805 Lines: 57 On Tuesday 13 December 2005 03:25, Helge Hafting wrote: >Salyzyn, Mark wrote: >>For instance, there are reasons, somewhat outside the control of the >>Hardware Vendor, for binary drivers. Often, in the hopes of >> achieving standards compliance, Hardware vendors are cornered by >> legalities over the copyright associated with those standards that >> ties their hands either from releasing interface documentation or >> from releasing source code. Yet all these vendors would be >> overjoyed to have Linux drivers for their Hardware in order to >> increase the sales of their products. > >Uh, a copyrighted standard? They are trying to live up to a secret >standard, one they cannot publish? >Don't sound like a standard to me - a standard is something known, >that is the purpose of standardization. >This sounds like "we standardized the voltage for household lamps, > but we won't tell if it is 110V, 220V or something completely > different." I really hope I misunderstood this. Standards bodies typically get their supporting income from the sale of the standard specification in fancy printed pdf's. As its a small market, the only way to survive is the highway robbery model where a copy is maybe over $1000 USD. Its a bad model for the FOSS crowd as they may not have the bucks to spend on a real copy. Generally, their copyrights are VERY well enforced by their shysters which compounds the issue. All of our preaching is to the choir, as the standards bodies could care less, if you want a copy, pony up. Thats life, unforch. >Standards compliance should never get in the way of open source. >Sure - if the owner modifies the source, then the thing may no longer >comply with the standard. In some cases even illegal or dangerous. >But in that case, it is the fault of the owner, not the vendor. The > vendor can simply say that anyone changing the (distributed) source > should get their own certification. > >Helge Hafting >- >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe > linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should use this address: which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/