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Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:01:04 -0500
From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
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Subject: Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel
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Horst von Brand wrote:
> Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005, David Ranson wrote:
>>
>>>Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>- support for ipfwadm and ipchains was removed during 2.6
> 
> 
>>>Surely this one had loads of notice though? I was using iptables with
>>>2.4 kernels.
> 
> 
> Sure had. They were scheduled for removal in march, 2005 a long time ago.
> 
> 
>>So was I. And now what? ipfwadm and ipchains should have been removed
>>from 2.6.0 if 2.6.0 was not to support these.
> 
> 
> Or in 2.6.10, or 2.6.27, or whatever.
> 
> 
>>                                              That opportunity was
>>missed, the removal wasn't made up for in 2.6.1, so the stuff has to
>>stick until 2.8.0.
> 
> 
> Sorry, but the new development model is that there is no "uneven" series
> anymore. Sure, it /might/ open for worldshattering changes, but nothing of
> that sort is remotely in sight right now, so...
> 
> 
>>>>- devfs support was removed during 2.6
>>>
>>>Did this affect many 'real' users?
> 
> 
>>This doesn't matter. A kernel that calls itself stable CAN NOT remove
>>features unless they had been critically broken from the beginning. And
>>this level of breakage is a moot point, so removal is not justified.
> 
> 
> devfs was broken, and very little used.

Perhaps there is a cause and effect relationship? If devfs worked I 
don't see the need for every distro to have it's own udev (or mdev or 
sdev or whatever the flavor is this month).
-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

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