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To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Arnd Bergmann CC: David Laight , Linus Torvalds , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Thomas Gleixner , John Stultz , Alexandre Belloni , Stephen Boyd , Florian Weimer , Palmer Dabbelt , Alistair Francis , GNU C Library , Karel Zak , Lennart Poettering , OGAWA Hirofumi From: hpa@zytor.com Message-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On August 15, 2019 8:05:30 AM PDT, "Theodore Y=2E Ts'o" w= rote: >On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 03:22:45PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: >> If 64-bit Windows relies on a working EFI RTC implementation, we >could >> decide to leave the driver enabled on 64-bit and only disable it for >> 32-bit EFI=2E That way, future distros would no longer have to worry >about >> the localtime hack, at least the ones that have dropped support for >> 32-bit x86 kernels=2E > >=2E=2E=2E and who have also dropped support for legacy (non-UEFI) 64-bit >boot=2E Keep in mind that even for distributions which may install with >UEFI by default, if people have been upgrading from (for example) >Debian Jessie to Stretch to Buster, they may still be using non-UEFI >boot=2E This might be especially true on small Linode servers (such as, >for example, the one which is currently running my mail smarthost=2E=2E= =2E=2E) > > - Ted There is also the ACPI TAD device, which can be used to expose this throug= h ACPI=2E We might also be able to request that the ACPI information for th= e RTC be augmented with a CMOS timezone location=2E --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E