Received: by 2002:a25:8b12:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id i18csp4433125ybl; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz98nDdZfCr8v26wTCwnv30VnjUxVommhMG8yivzri+auRoTe9bxrlOT50S61UvX2X+NEa0 X-Received: by 2002:a63:c70d:: with SMTP id n13mr25802525pgg.171.1566326957876; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1566326957; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=eZo/a6HdHoqJbJaWapXXnTocYUTz9HB+kI/9i2W4080JqrDLGERgZXuO5Zia7VXgRi lRd1+5CB8F93WkS37/IhZRlhA4yh8P4RkNdZw8E6mQDX9EOagyCxUIOBP+NF8YPKjyUD 2zt0Oxj5yIKXYvuWyuipGg7MzjXX8Nw1mqNdR5u3bCiYDSYhng8z3tnw0Kj66xpqba0Y N+GZTQqwggokSZE+MFnURoN0s1KzoZ/DYAy+aRVfvmIg+FqCM8r8kUU+3CxM6forW1Ak cufrj+VFjQgpf5pR0hgMGFp0v19a2aKOgz2bpP/yGZEBTuhd1jxDl4+zL8ScoWUs4AlO ksMg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=9Cah6laiVNMBfLguwGbjyXmqUuy41dWVm9+i0CuCLfc=; b=076s0UPK8J3HQTYvTx0kgZvTERx7iKFOeCGTnGEH+NPAmg1OeW/EIVrpvYUnQKeYVu BoAIiUsbshPlo8WwG4jEIXrkZGoeBcuexRxd2MaO6KOuOMmf0HwVP0t9nL8pkwCz8385 rWkUYFVv7+nVrh27w1lnHQD7j6iF8Xi3mlsa3CMMRaE1aLvXFmdIINxfn7UbdzyOfesM BmM2ZPUVAJTydJ9isN1chP+Tcnttw8iAta+uCOLumCgqEWFHm+XEdALgj8dTTilrDODk FIWgLz8FSmLGs74YxlG+Yn3SB/rgY+utusBZ2QXpbwPqW3Lv7JdPe246AtgWfNf8Ovuk EukA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f20si13663807pfn.166.2019.08.20.11.49.02; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730174AbfHTSsB (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:48:01 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:44597 "EHLO relay9-d.mail.gandi.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729351AbfHTSsB (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:48:01 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 90.65.161.137 Received: from localhost (lfbn-1-1545-137.w90-65.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.65.161.137]) (Authenticated sender: alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0D24FF802; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:47:55 +0200 From: Alexandre Belloni To: Thomas Gleixner Cc: Karel Zak , Lennart Poettering , Arnd Bergmann , "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Linus Torvalds , Linux Kernel Mailing List , John Stultz , Stephen Boyd , Florian Weimer , "H. Peter Anvin" , Palmer Dabbelt , Alistair Francis , GNU C Library , OGAWA Hirofumi Subject: Re: New kernel interface for sys_tz and timewarp? Message-ID: <20190820184755.GP3545@piout.net> References: <20190814000622.GB20365@mit.edu> <20190814090936.GB10516@gardel-login> <20190814093208.GG3600@piout.net> <20190819110903.if3dzhvfnlqutn6s@ws.net.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 19/08/2019 15:43:03+0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Karel Zak wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:32:08AM +0200, Alexandre Belloni wrote: > > > On 14/08/2019 11:09:36+0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > On Mi, 14.08.19 10:31, Arnd Bergmann (arnd@arndb.de) wrote: > > > > > > > > > - glibc stops passing the caller timezone argument to the kernel > > > > > - the distro kernel disables CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS, > > > > > CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC and CONFIG_GENERIC_CMOS_UPDATE > > > > > > > > What's the benefit of letting userspace do this? It sounds a lot more > > > > fragile to leave this syncing to userspace if the kernel can do this > > > > trivially on its own. > > > > Good point, why CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC has been added to the kernel? > > 023f333a99ce ("NTP: Add a CONFIG_RTC_SYSTOHC configuration") This answers only half the question. The follow up is then why do we need update_persistent_clock? -- Alexandre Belloni, Bootlin Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering https://bootlin.com