Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:33:42 -0800
From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Cc: hawkes@sgi.com, Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
       Keith Owens <kaos@sgi.com>, Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ia64: disable preemption in udelay()
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 06:28:54AM -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> > +#define SMALLUSECS 100
> 
> John, I did not see your posts until this had already made it out.
> I would think that the folks running realtime applications would expect
> udelay to hold off for even shorter periods of time.  I would expect
> something along the line of 20 or 25 uSec.

A good question ... I'm going to put John's change in as-is for now so
that 2.6.15 can benefit from the reduced code size of the out-of-line
and avoid the ugly bug when preemption is enabled on a drifty system.

We can make fine tune changes to the udelay() implementation after we
get some data on what is needed.

> How much drift would you expect from this?  I have not tried this, but
> what about something more along the lines of:
> 
> #define MAX_USECS_WHILE_NOT_PREMPTIBLE	20

As we reduce the non-preemtible window drift in my version of udelay()
would get worse ... but I haven't done any measurements on how much worse.

> 		timeout += next * local_cpu_data->cyc_per_usec;
> 		while (ia64_get_itc() < timeout)
> 			cpu_relax();

Bad news if your ar.itc wraps around (less than four centuries of uptime
at 1.6GHz :-)

-Tony
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