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Date:   Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:55:27 +0200
From:   Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mdev: Expose mdev alias in sysfs tree
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:52:21 +0000
Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:05 PM
> > To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
> > Cc: alex.williamson@redhat.com; Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>;
> > kwankhede@nvidia.com; davem@davemloft.net; kvm@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> > kernel@vger.kernel.org; netdev@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mdev: Expose mdev alias in sysfs tree
> > 
> > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:07:37 +0000
> > Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:17 PM
> > > > To: Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>
> > > > Cc: alex.williamson@redhat.com; Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>;
> > > > kwankhede@nvidia.com; davem@davemloft.net; kvm@vger.kernel.org;
> > > > linux- kernel@vger.kernel.org; netdev@vger.kernel.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mdev: Expose mdev alias in sysfs tree
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:41:18 -0500
> > > > Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com> wrote:  
> >   
> > > > > +static ssize_t alias_show(struct device *device,
> > > > > +			  struct device_attribute *attr, char *buf) {
> > > > > +	struct mdev_device *dev = mdev_from_dev(device);
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	if (!dev->alias)
> > > > > +		return -EOPNOTSUPP;  
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering how to make this consumable by userspace in the easiest  
> > way.  
> > > > - As you do now (userspace gets an error when trying to read)?
> > > > - Returning an empty value (nothing to see here, move along)?  
> > > No. This is confusing, to return empty value, because it says that there is an  
> > alias but it is some weird empty string.  
> > > If there is alias, it shows exactly what it is.
> > > If no alias it returns an error code = unsupported -> inline with other widely  
> > used subsystem.  
> > >  
> > > > - Or not creating the attribute at all? That would match what userspace
> > > >   sees on older kernels, so it needs to be able to deal with that  
> > > New sysfs files can appear. Tool cannot say that I was not expecting this file  
> > here.  
> > > User space is supposed to work with the file they are off interest.
> > > Mdev interface has option to specify vendor specific files, though in usual  
> > manner it's not recommended.  
> > > So there is no old user space, new kernel issue here.  
> > 
> > I'm not talking about old userspace/new kernel, but new userspace/old kernel.
> > Code that wants to consume this attribute needs to be able to cope with its
> > absence anyway.
> >   
> Old kernel doesn't have alias file.
> If some tool tries to read this file it will fail to open non existing file; open() system call is already taking care of it.

Yes, that was exactly my argument?