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Date:   Thu, 29 Aug 2019 13:14:54 -0400
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v1 2/2] rcu/tree: Remove dynticks_nmi_nesting counter
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 09:13:01AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:13:25AM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:43:55AM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 08:43:36PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > This change is not fixing a bug, so there is no need for an emergency fix,
> > > > > > > > and thus no point in additional churn.  I understand that it is a bit
> > > > > > > > annoying to code and test something and have your friendly maintainer say
> > > > > > > > "sorry, wrong rocks", and the reason that I understand this is that I do
> > > > > > > > that to myself rather often.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The motivation for me for this change is to avoid future bugs such as with
> > > > > > > the following patch where "== 2" did not take the force write of
> > > > > > > DYNTICK_IRQ_NONIDLE into account:
> > > > > > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-rcu.git/commit/?h=dev&id=13c4b07593977d9288e5d0c21c89d9ba27e2ea1f
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, the current code does need some simplification.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I still don't see it as pointless churn, it is also a maintenance cost in its
> > > > > > > current form and the simplification is worth it IMHO both from a readability,
> > > > > > > and maintenance stand point.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I still don't see what's technically wrong with the patch. I could perhaps
> > > > > > > add the above "== 2" point in the patch?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know of a crash or splat your patch would cause, if that is
> > > > > > your question.  But that is also true of the current code, so the point
> > > > > > is simplification, not bug fixing.  And from what I can see, there is an
> > > > > > opportunity to simplify quite a bit further.  And with something like
> > > > > > RCU, further simplification is worth -serious- consideration.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We could also discuss f2f at LPC to see if we can agree about it?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That might make a lot of sense.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sure. I am up for a further redesign / simplification. I will think more
> > > > > about your suggestions and can also further discuss at LPC.
> > > > 
> > > > One question that might (or might not) help:  Given the compound counter,
> > > > where the low-order hex digit indicates whether the corresponding CPU
> > > > is running in a non-idle kernel task and the rest of the hex digits
> > > > indicate the NMI-style nesting counter shifted up by four bits, what
> > > > could rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle() be reduced to?
> > > > 
> > > > > And this patch is on LKML archives and is not going anywhere so there's no
> > > > > rush I guess ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > True enough!  ;-)
> > > 
> > > Paul, do we also nuke rcu_eqs_special_set()?  Currently I don't see anyone
> > > using it. And also remove the bottom most bit of dynticks?
> > > 
> > > Also what happens if a TLB flush broadcast is needed? Do we IPI nohz or idle
> > > CPUs are the moment?
> > > 
> > > All of this was introduced in:
> > > b8c17e6664c4 ("rcu: Maintain special bits at bottom of ->dynticks counter")
> > 
> > 
> > Paul, also what what happens in the following scenario:
> > 
> > CPU0                                                 CPU1
> > 
> > A syscall causes rcu_eqs_exit()
> > rcu_read_lock();
> >                                                      ---> FQS loop waiting on
> > 						           dyntick_snap
> > usermode-upcall  entry -->causes rcu_eqs_enter();
> > 
> > usermode-upcall  exit  -->causes rcu_eqs_exit();
> > 
> >                                                      ---> FQS loop sees
> > 						          dyntick snap
> > 							  increment and
> > 							  declares CPU0 is
> > 							  in a QS state
> > 							  before the
> > 							  rcu_read_unlock!
> > 
> > rcu_read_unlock();
> > ---
> > 
> > Does the context tracking not call rcu_user_enter() in this case, or did I
> > really miss something?
> 
> Holding rcu_read_lock() across usermode execution (in this case,
> the usermode upcall) is a bad idea.  Why is CPU 0 doing that?

Oh, ok. I was just hypothesizing that since usermode upcalls from
something as heavy as interrupts, it could also mean we had the same from
some path that held an rcu_read_lock() as well. It was just a theoretical
concern, if it is not an issue, no problem.

The other question I had was, in which cases would dyntick_nesting in current
RCU code be > 1 (after removing the lower bit and any crowbarring) ? In the
scenarios I worked out on paper, I can only see this as 1 or 0. But the
wording of it is 'dynticks_nesting'. May be I am missing a nesting scenario?
We can exit RCU-idleness into process context only once (either exiting idle
mode or user mode). Both cases would imply a value of 1.

thanks!

 - Joel