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To:     Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
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On 29/08/2019 23:12, Joao Martins wrote:

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>>> Say you wanted to have a kvm specific config, you would still see the same
>>> problem if you happen to compile intel_idle together with haltpoll
>>> driver+governor. 
>>
>> Can a guest work with an intel_idle driver?
>>
> Yes.
> 
> If you use Qemu you would add '-overcommit cpu-pm=on' to try it out. ofc,
> assuming you're on a relatively recent Qemu (v3.0+) and a fairly recent kernel
> version as host (v4.17+).

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

>>> Creating two separate configs here, with and without haltpoll
>>> for VMs doesn't sound effective for distros.
>>
>> Agree
>>
>>> Perhaps decreasing the rating of
>>> haltpoll governor, but while a short term fix it wouldn't give much sensible
>>> defaults without the one-off runtime switch.

The rating has little meaning because each governor fits a specific
situation (server, desktop, etc...) and it would probably make sense to
remove it and add a default governor in the config file like the cpufreq.

May be I missed the point from some previous discussion but IMHO the
problem you are facing is coming from the design: there is no need to
create a halt governor but move the code inside the cpuidle-halt driver
instead and ignore the state asked by the governor and return the state
the driver entered.


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