Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751202AbVLUTIv (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:08:51 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751203AbVLUTIu (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:08:50 -0500 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:41180 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751198AbVLUTIt (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:08:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:08:49 +0000 From: Al Viro To: Stephen Hemminger Cc: Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] handle module ref count on sysctl tables. Message-ID: <20051221190849.GM27946@ftp.linux.org.uk> References: <20051221103520.258ced08@dxpl.pdx.osdl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051221103520.258ced08@dxpl.pdx.osdl.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2207 Lines: 46 On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 10:35:19AM -0800, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > Right now there is a hole in the module ref counting system because > there is no proper ref counting for sysctl tables used by modules. > This means that if an application is holding /proc/sys/foo open and > module that created it is unloaded, then the application touches the > file the kernel will oops. > > This patch fixes that by maintaining source compatibility via macro. > I am sure someone already thought of this, it just doesn't appear to > have made it in yet. NAK. a) holding the file open will *NOT* pin any module structures down. IO in progress will, but it unregistering sysctl table will block until it's over. The same goes for sysctl(2) in progress. See use_table() and friends in kernel/sysctl.c b) you are not protecting any code in module; what needs protection (and gets it) is a pile of data structures. With lifetimes that don't have to be related to module lifetimes. IOW, use of reference to module is 100% wrong here - it wouldn't fix anything. As a general rule, when you pin something down, think what you are trying to protect; if it's not just a bunch of function references - module is the wrong thing to hold. In particular, sysctl tables are dynamically created and removed in a kernel that is not modular at all. Which kills any hope to get a solution based on preventing rmmod. Solution is fairly simple: * put use counter into sysctl table head (i.e. object allocated by kernel/sysctl.c) * bump use counter when examining table in sysctl(2) and around the actual IO in procfs access; put reference to table into proc_dir_entry to be able to do the latter. Decrement when done with the table; if it had hit zero _and_ there's unregistration waiting for completion - kick it. * have unregistration kill all reference to table head and if use counter is positive - wait for completion. Once we get it, we know that we can safely proceed. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/