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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
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	Content preview:  Jaco Kroon wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > >>On Mon,
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	>>>>>Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
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	the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has >>>>this problem. AFAICT
	it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline >>>>patches and even if it
	is the fact that most users get it wrong >>>>points to a serious
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Jaco Kroon wrote:
> Lee Revell wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 12:09 -0600, Jason Munro wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 11:54:00 am 26 Dec 2005 Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a
>>>>>long time. It will only line wrap things that you insert by
>>>>>typing; pastes are left untouched.
>>>>
>>>>It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has
>>>>this problem.  AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline
>>>>patches and even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong
>>>>points to a serious usability/UI issue.
>>>>
>>>>Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to
>>>>SubmittingPatches be accepted?  Then we can point the Mozilla
>>>>developers at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem
>>>>so far) and hopefully this will light a fire under someone.
> 
> 
> I would second that patch.

I would NAK such a patch.

Andrew Morton described a way to do it, some method using x cut buffers, 
IIRC.

The best thing to do is use a custom script, though.  Other mailers can 
be annoying as well, with regards to the References header, for example. 
  And pine is awful, encoding plain text as base64.

	Jeff



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