Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751092AbVL2XDO (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:03:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751106AbVL2XDO (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:03:14 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([66.187.233.31]:11977 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751092AbVL2XDN (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:03:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:03:07 -0500 From: Dave Jones To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Andrew Morton , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Greg KH Subject: Re: userspace breakage Message-ID: <20051229230307.GB24452@redhat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Dave Jones , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Greg KH References: <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1359 Lines: 32 On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 02:56:16PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > That really isn't acceptable. Breaking user space - even things that are > "close" to the kernel like udev scripts and alsa-lib, really is NOT a good > idea. > > If you cannot upgrade a kernel without ugrading some user package, that > should be considered a real bug and a regression. I'm glad you agree. I've decided to try something different once 2.6.16 is out. Every day, I'm going to push the -git snapshot of the day into a testing branch for Fedora users. (Normally, only rawhide[1] users get to test kernel-de-jour, and this always has the latest userspace, so we don't notice problems until a kernel point release and the stable distro gets an update). It'll come with disclaimers up the whazoo about it possibly crashing, eating your cat etc, but I bet some loonies will be mad enough to try it, and report when it crashes and burns. This should at least get us knowing about *when* we break things sooner. During 2.6.16rc, expect more screaming. Dave [1] For non-Red Hat savvy, rawhide=='fedora development branch' - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/