Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751167AbVL3AUS (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:18 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751168AbVL3AUS (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:18 -0500 Received: from master.soleranetworks.com ([67.137.28.188]:57520 "EHLO master.soleranetworks.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751167AbVL3AUQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:20:16 -0500 Message-ID: <43B4774F.7030703@wolfmountaingroup.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:54:55 -0700 From: "Jeff V. Merkey" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Dave Jones , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: userspace breakage References: <1135798495.2935.29.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> <43B453CA.9090005@wolfmountaingroup.com> <43B46078.1080805@wolfmountaingroup.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2577 Lines: 73 Linus Torvalds wrote: >On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > >>Linus Torvalds wrote: >> >> >>>We're not talking about internal kernel stuff. Internal kernel stuff _does_ >>>get changed, and we dont' care about breakage of out-of-kernel stuff. That's >>>fundamental. >>> >>> >>Start caring. People spend lots of money supporting you, and what you are >>doing. How about taking some responsibility for that [...] >> >> > >Cry me a river, Jeff. > >The kernel is GPL'd. That's my responsibility. Source code. Stuff that >comes to me as patches. That's my job, and that's what I get paid for. In >fact, my contract says that I _cannot_ work on anything that isn't open >source. > >Stuff outside the kernel is almost always either (a) experimental stuff >that just isn't ready to be merged or (b) tries to avoid the GPL. > >Neither is worth a _second_ of anybodys time trying to support, and when >you say "people spend lots of money supporting you", you're lying through >your teeth. The GPL-avoiding kind of people don't spend a dime supporting >me, they spend their money actively trying to debase and destroy what I >and thousands of others have been working our butts off for. > > The fact that Oracle and IBM support apps on Linux are Freeloading? Baloney! Linux benefits by having the choice of al these applications. (P.S. I have heard through the grapevine IBM is putting emphasis on AIX as their platform and are actively telling this to large customers -- can you verify this and are you aware of it) >So don't try to make it sound like something it isn't. We support outside >projects a hell of a lot better than we'd need to, and I can tell you that >it's mostly _me_ who does that. Most of the core kernel developers argue >that I should support less of it - and yes, they are backed up by lawyers >at their (sometimes quite big) companies. > >So be honest now. Are those projects you care about going to be GPL'd and >actively pushed back into the standard kernel? > >And if they aren't, SHUT THE HELL UP, because they are total freeloaders, >and claimign that they "support" me is total crap. > > Commercial applications support gives Linux "network effect" (economic term) and thus clout and credibility. Protect this -- its in **OUR** interests. Jeff > Linus > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/