Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751263AbVL3PK2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:10:28 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751265AbVL3PK2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:10:28 -0500 Received: from c-67-177-35-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([67.177.35.222]:57759 "EHLO ns1.utah-nac.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751263AbVL3PK2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: <43B547F1.1080501@wolfmountaingroup.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:45:05 -0700 From: "Jeff V. Merkey" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Dave Jones , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: userspace breakage References: <1135798495.2935.29.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> <43B453CA.9090005@wolfmountaingroup.com> <43B46078.1080805@wolfmountaingroup.com> <43B4774F.7030703@wolfmountaingroup.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2149 Lines: 71 Linus Torvalds wrote: >On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > >>The fact that Oracle and IBM support apps on Linux are Freeloading? Baloney! >> >> > >Jeff, give it a rest. > >Oracle and IBM haven't been complaining, have they? Oracle mostly does >user-space stuff (that doesn't change), and has been pretty good about >their Oracle-fs too - they're even actively discussing "git" issues on the >git mailing list, and asking for help, and just generally being good >members of the community. > >And IBM engineers are part of the people who change internal kernel >interfaces in order to make it work better for them. > >Pretty much the ONLY people who ever complain about those internal kernel >interfaces changing are the free-loaders. It's hard for them, because they >don't want to play according to the rules. Tough. Watch me not care: > > [ Linus sits in his chair, patently not caring ] > >See? > > I went to New Mexico for Christmas to see my 100 year old Cherokee Grandmother. After reading all the junk on the internet about me people have written about me and this whole mess with Linux, she offered two very wise comments: 1. "When people say or write things about you, its a reflection on them, and not you." 2. (looking at me intensely) "The cure for stupidity is silence." So I have to say, if you feel those who write applications for Linux are freeloaders (I take this to mean a freeloader is someone who doesn't give you their IP but uses the Linux platform to sell vertical apps), then you are saying you don't care about supporting vendors who commercialize Linux (expect those who give you back IP or money). I think I got this right. Did I miss anything? You don't have to respond. Remember the cure for stupidity is silence. [Jeff sitting in char also not caring but trying to cure his stupidity by being silent] Jeff :-) > Linus > > > - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/