Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932261AbVL3UXM (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:23:12 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932277AbVL3UXM (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:23:12 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com ([24.24.2.58]:60658 "EHLO ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932261AbVL3UXK (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:23:10 -0500 Subject: Re: userspace breakage From: Steven Rostedt To: Linus Torvalds Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Dave Jones , "Jeff V. Merkey" In-Reply-To: References: <1135798495.2935.29.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> <43B453CA.9090005@wolfmountaingroup.com> <43B46078.1080805@wolfmountaingroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1135974176.6039.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1524 Lines: 40 On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 16:10 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Stuff outside the kernel is almost always either (a) experimental stuff > that just isn't ready to be merged or (b) tries to avoid the GPL. (c) So damn specialized that it's not worth even trying to merge. That's my camp. I'm modifying the kernel so damn much, that I'm doing special things for a special purpose, that is so intrusive that I'd be laughed out of LKML if I tried to merge it. But as for kernel API breakage... hmm, don't care very much. Since everything from the kernel to the apps running on this kernel is all very customized, I pretty much make up my own API. I _do_ care about kernel bugs that creep in. Since I built my stuff on top of Ingo's RT patch, my debugging goes like this. 1) is this a problem with my changes? if yes then fix it. if no, continue to number 2. 2) is this a bug in the rt patch? if yes, fix it and send patch to Ingo. if no, continue to number 3. 3) Must be bug with Linus kernel. fix it and send patch to LKML, and try to get it in. I've had a couple of 3's and you've seen those from me. So although you may not be getting the added work I'm doing (you most likely don't even want it), at least people like me do help out by doing number 3. -- Steve - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/