Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964989AbVLaPbV (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:31:21 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964991AbVLaPbV (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:31:21 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com ([24.24.2.55]:49116 "EHLO ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964989AbVLaPbV (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:31:21 -0500 Subject: Re: userspace breakage From: Steven Rostedt To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Andrew Morton , torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davej@redhat.com, jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com In-Reply-To: <1136018010.2901.2.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> References: <1135798495.2935.29.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> <43B453CA.9090005@wolfmountaingroup.com> <43B46078.1080805@wolfmountaingroup.com> <1135974176.6039.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051230154954.47be93a3.akpm@osdl.org> <1136018010.2901.2.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 10:30:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1136043030.6039.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 34 On Sat, 2005-12-31 at 09:33 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 15:49 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: > > Steven Rostedt wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 16:10 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > > > Stuff outside the kernel is almost always either (a) experimental stuff > > > > that just isn't ready to be merged or (b) tries to avoid the GPL. > > > > > > (c) So damn specialized that it's not worth even trying to merge. > > > > Or drivers for highly specialised/customised hardware. > > that's not really an excuse.. there's drivers in the tree for which only > 4 boards ever existed. There still is value in having those in the tree, > if only for the "other side" of the API to be able to see usage > patterns... Yeah, but maybe Andrew isn't even talking about those boards. I know when I worked for Lockheed, they had a bunch of custom boards that were for one specific project. There would really be no point in pushing a driver into the mainline that is used by one board for one project. But then again, I'm not Andrew, and maybe he _is_ talking about the drivers used by only four boards. -- Steve - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/