Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751468AbWACRD2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:03:28 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751467AbWACRD1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:03:27 -0500 Received: from dspnet.fr.eu.org ([213.186.44.138]:32527 "EHLO dspnet.fr.eu.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751464AbWACRD0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:03:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:03:16 +0100 From: Olivier Galibert To: Alistair John Strachan Cc: Tomasz Torcz , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Message-ID: <20060103170316.GA12249@dspnet.fr.eu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Galibert , Alistair John Strachan , Tomasz Torcz , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , Adrian Bunk , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20050726150837.GT3160@stusta.de> <200601031522.06898.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103160502.GB5262@irc.pl> <200601031629.21765.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200601031629.21765.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 30 On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:29:21PM +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote: > This has nothing to do with the kernel option CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL which Jan > referred to, and to which I was responding. "aoss" is also not compatible > with every conceivable program. Especially not with plugins. Flashplayer anybody? > This is exactly why the OSS emulation option in ALSA is really a last resort > and should not be an excuse for people to ignore implementing ALSA support > directly. More so, it is very good justification for ditching "everything > OSS" as soon as possible, at least in new software. Actually the crappy state of OSS emulation is a good reason to ditch ALSA in its current implementation. As Linus reminded not so long ago, backwards compatibility is extremely important. Also, not everybody wants to depend on a shared library. I find this "the alsa lib must be kept in lockstep with the kernel version" quite annoying. I'd rather not have the windows dll hell on linux, TYVM. Or in other words, the public API of a kernel interface should _NEVER_ be a library only. At least OSS, with all its issues, had that right. OG. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/