Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:37:36 +0100
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
       Alistair John Strachan <s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk>,
       Tomasz Torcz <zdzichu@irc.pl>, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
       Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
       James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch,
       linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org,
       parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com,
       Thorsten Knabe <linux@thorsten-knabe.de>, zwane@commfireservices.com,
       zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:24:49PM +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:16:13PM +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
> > This argument is basically watered down with devfs, udev, sysfs, etc. which 
> > all have exactly the same issues. Should a crippled OSS API be the way 
> > forward for Linux? I think not.
> 
> And they're getting some real backlash because of that now.  Hell,
> Linus' message was about udev in the first place.

The udev breakages might not have been nice, but OSS/ALSA is a 
completely different issue:

OSS has been deprecated since ALSA was merged into the Linux kernel 
_four years ago_.

And I'm only talking about removing drivers _with ALSA drivers for the 
same hardware available_.

> As for the OSS API being crippled, I'd take the 3 ioctl calls you need
> to setup a simple stereo 16bits output with OSS than the 13 ALSA
> library calls anyday.  Especially with the impressive lack of
> documentation you get about what the hell is a period, or what you can
> do except aborting when you get an error.
>...

For a general OSS<->ALSA discussion, you are five years too late.

>   OG.

cu
Adrian

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