Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964778AbWACU3v (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:29:51 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964780AbWACU3v (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:29:51 -0500 Received: from mail.kroah.org ([69.55.234.183]:43140 "EHLO perch.kroah.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964778AbWACU3t (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:29:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:28:00 -0800 From: Greg KH To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Dave Jones , Andrew Morton , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: userspace breakage Message-ID: <20060103202800.GE12617@kroah.com> References: <20051228212313.GA4388@elte.hu> <20051228214845.GA7859@elte.hu> <20051228201150.b6cfca14.akpm@osdl.org> <20051229073259.GA20177@elte.hu> <20051229202852.GE12056@redhat.com> <20051229224103.GF12056@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1249 Lines: 32 On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 02:56:16PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Dave Jones wrote: > > At some point in time it became defacto that certain things like udev, hotplug, > > alsa-lib, wireless-tools and a bunch of others have to have kept in lockstep > > with the kernel, and if it breaks, it's your fault for not upgrading > > your userspace. > > Hmm.. Time for some re-indoctrination? > > We really shouldn't allow that. I know who to blame for udev, who else > should I complain to? Yes, blame me for udev. Again, a kernel change caused a udev bug to surface. This is the problem with 2.6.15 and input devices that are not the aggregated mice or keyboards. A one-line fix to udev solved this. Again, the fault was in udev, not the kernel, I'm not going to prevent kernel changes from going in, when it is stupid userspace bugs, not the kernel's fault. And yes, this is the second time this has happened, it seems that I suck at userspace programming :) sorry, greg k-h - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/