Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932501AbWACV46 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:58 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932519AbWACV46 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:58 -0500 Received: from emailhub.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:10769 "HELO mailout.stusta.mhn.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932501AbWACV44 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:56:54 +0100 From: Adrian Bunk To: Jesper Juhl Cc: Takashi Iwai , Tomasz Torcz , Olivier Galibert , Alistair John Strachan , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Message-ID: <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> References: <20050726150837.GT3160@stusta.de> <200601031522.06898.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103160502.GB5262@irc.pl> <200601031629.21765.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103170316.GA12249@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <20060103203732.GF5262@irc.pl> <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2134 Lines: 52 On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 09:56:20PM +0100, Jesper Juhl wrote: > On 1/3/06, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > At Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:37:32 +0100, > > Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 09:22:58PM +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote: > > > > At Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:03:16 +0100, > > > > Olivier Galibert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly why the OSS emulation option in ALSA is really a last resort > > > > > > and should not be an excuse for people to ignore implementing ALSA support > > > > > > directly. More so, it is very good justification for ditching "everything > > > > > > OSS" as soon as possible, at least in new software. > > > > > > > > > > Actually the crappy state of OSS emulation is a good reason to ditch > > > > > ALSA in its current implementation. As Linus reminded not so long > > > > > ago, backwards compatibility is extremely important. > > > > > > > > Well, we keep the compatibility exactly -- OSS drivers don't support > > > > software mixing in the kernel, too :) > > > > > > OSS will support software mixing. In kernel. On NetBSD. > > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/4388 > > > > Why do we need to keep the compatibility with NetBSD? > > > Software mixing is a really nice feature for people with soundscards > that can't do hardware mixing, so if the OSS compatibility could > transparently do software mixing for apps using OSS api that would be > a very nice extension for a lot of people - I'd say that if NetBSD do > that they've got the right idea. The OSS compatibility in ALSA is only a legacy API for applications not yet converted to use the ALSA API. > Jesper Juhl cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/