Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965130AbWADBi5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:38:57 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965128AbWADBi5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:38:57 -0500 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl ([153.19.42.16]:39822 "EHLO rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964816AbWADBi4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:38:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 02:38:49 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: Stefan Smietanowski cc: Adrian Bunk , Jesper Juhl , Takashi Iwai , Olivier Galibert , Alistair John Strachan , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal In-Reply-To: <43BB16C0.3080308@stesmi.com> Message-ID: References: <200601031522.06898.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103160502.GB5262@irc.pl> <200601031629.21765.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103170316.GA12249@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <20060103203732.GF5262@irc.pl> <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com> <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> <20060103221314.GB23175@irc.pl> <20060103231009.GI3831@stusta.de> <43BB16C0.3080308@stesmi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1850946630-1136338729=:29027" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2733 Lines: 57 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1850946630-1136338729=:29027 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Stefan Smietanowski wrote: [..] >> Solaris, AIX .. >> Full list is avalaible in "Operating System" listbox on >> http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi > > Are all those Operatings Systems that include OSS per default, no > additional download required? Because that's what he's asking for, > not what you can get OSS for. > > Since that link is a _download page_ it makes me think that it's > an _additional download_ to get OSS support on those (or some of > those) operating systems. So start another "it makes me think" and imagine that in Solaris case using drivers not provided directly on distribution level is NORMAL habit. Why ? Bacause Solaris have well defined kernel API (from many years in some common areas it is constants which makes Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt from Linux tree piece of crap). This allow use device drivers prepared first for example for older kernels (8,9) on latest (10). I.e.: Solaris 10 inroduces stop supporting some older network cards (IIRC for old SMC cards). I know people which still uses this cards on Sol10 by using binary drivers prepared for older Solarises without visable problems. Also many device drivers have double versions (one from distribution resouurces and second provided by device vendor). Summarize: stop looking on sound subsystem problems as Linux specyfic and assume that THE SAME problems exists on other unices in so simillar form so is possible thinking on OSS support on kernel level details in the same forms as on other unices. Linux case isn't so unusual in this area .. it is VERY typical :> If you will take this as true you can start looking on OSS API on Linux from correct point of view. And start asking ALSA people: why using OSS API in other unices simple works and it ins't problem and on Linux "it was so big problem that reinventing sound support in ALSA form was neccessary" ? kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* --0-1850946630-1136338729=:29027-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/