Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965173AbWADCvT (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:51:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965174AbWADCvT (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:51:19 -0500 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl ([153.19.42.16]:46956 "EHLO rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965173AbWADCvS (ORCPT ); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:51:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:51:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: Adrian Bunk cc: Jesper Juhl , Takashi Iwai , Olivier Galibert , Alistair John Strachan , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal In-Reply-To: <20060104010123.GK3831@stusta.de> Message-ID: References: <20060103203732.GF5262@irc.pl> <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com> <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> <20060103221314.GB23175@irc.pl> <20060103231009.GI3831@stusta.de> <20060104000344.GJ3831@stusta.de> <20060104010123.GK3831@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-826484282-1136340077=:29027" Content-ID: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3462 Lines: 74 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-826484282-1136340077=:29027 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:46:08AM +0100, Tomasz K?oczko wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> [..] >>>> Solaris, AIX .. >>>> Full list is avalaible in "Operating System" listbox on >>>> http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi >>> >>> As I said in footnote 1 of my email, this has little value for >>> application developers since only few users on these systems use this >>> commercial sound system. >> >> You are wrong using pejorative labeling "commercial sound system" for >> this. Comercial is implementation. OSS is defined by user space API. >> This is all what was neccessary on implemting this in for Linux. > > The question is simple: > > How many percent of the Solaris or AIX users are actually using any > sound system implementing the OSS API? First try answer on: if OSS specyfications is complet, easy to use in applications and generaly compact why reinventing all from this level to above on Linux ? why ? If you answer first on this question you will see: answer on your questions do not have sense. Be compliant with OSS specyfication allow save many time on applications development level by consume (in good sense) time spend on this applications by *BSD, Solaris and other systems developers (even on not open source applications). After four years ALSA development quality of sound support in Linux is IMO on the ~same (still bad) level as four years ago. Still to complicated but now more bloated and additionaly not ready for handle fancy gadgets like BT headsets. On other systems (MOX, Win*, Solaris ..) on handle sound situations is now better than four years ago. IMO this allow form conclution: generaly current ALSA is step back compare to other systems and probaly Linux need some deeper work then simple polishing sound device drivers. More than year Linux in many publications is described as "excelent system for mobile gadgets". All waits for this .. Most of this gadgets want uses sound. Force using ALSA in this are makes nightmares not only for drivers developers but also for user space applications developers. (IMO in comming year or two if nothing will change Linux can be visable marginalized/can loose current possition .. not because in this period Linux will be worse compare to now but because other systems like Solaris, MOX and also Win* can pass in this period better progress on bringing some valuable functionalities in usable/simpler form for joe-like users .. remember: sound support in Linux isn't for data centers/big-ass-machines :) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie maj? problem?w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* --0-826484282-1136340077=:29027-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/