Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030203AbWADJtL (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:49:11 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030206AbWADJtK (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:49:10 -0500 Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com ([195.54.107.73]:19383 "EHLO mxfep02.bredband.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030202AbWADJtI (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:49:08 -0500 Message-ID: <43BB9A0B.3010209@stesmi.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:48:59 +0100 From: Stefan Smietanowski User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= CC: Adrian Bunk , Jesper Juhl , Takashi Iwai , Olivier Galibert , Alistair John Strachan , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal References: <200601031522.06898.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103160502.GB5262@irc.pl> <200601031629.21765.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> <20060103170316.GA12249@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <20060103203732.GF5262@irc.pl> <9a8748490601031256x916bddav794fecdcf263fb55@mail.gmail.com> <20060103215654.GH3831@stusta.de> <20060103221314.GB23175@irc.pl> <20060103231009.GI3831@stusta.de> <43BB16C0.3080308@stesmi.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB3AE9567E1FF9CF06A86C72E" X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira Milter 1.0.7; VAE 6.29.0.5; VDF 6.29.0.100 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3259 Lines: 88 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB3AE9567E1FF9CF06A86C72E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tomasz K=B3oczko wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Stefan Smietanowski wrote: > [..] >=20 >>> Solaris, AIX .. >>> Full list is avalaible in "Operating System" listbox on >>> http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi >> >> >> Are all those Operatings Systems that include OSS per default, no >> additional download required? Because that's what he's asking for, >> not what you can get OSS for. >> >> Since that link is a _download page_ it makes me think that it's >> an _additional download_ to get OSS support on those (or some of >> those) operating systems. >=20 >=20 > So start another "it makes me think" and imagine that in Solaris case > using drivers not provided directly on distribution level is NORMAL > habit. Why ? Bacause Solaris have well defined kernel API (from many > years in some common areas it is constants which makes > Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt from Linux tree piece of crap). > This allow use device drivers prepared first for example for older > kernels (8,9) on latest (10). I.e.: Solaris 10 inroduces stop supportin= g > some older network cards (IIRC for old SMC cards). I know people which > still uses this cards on Sol10 by using binary drivers prepared for > older Solarises without visable problems. Also many device drivers have= > double versions (one from distribution resouurces and second provided b= y > device vendor). >=20 > Summarize: stop looking on sound subsystem problems as Linux specyfic > and assume that THE SAME problems exists on other unices in so simillar= > form > so is possible thinking on OSS support on kernel level details in the > same forms as on other unices. Linux case isn't so unusual in this area= > .. it is VERY typical :> > If you will take this as true you can start looking on OSS API on Linux= > from correct point of view. > And start asking ALSA people: why using OSS API in other unices simple > works and it ins't problem and on Linux "it was so big problem that > reinventing sound support in ALSA form was neccessary" ? >=20 > kloczek So if I buy $COMMERCIAL_PROGRAM for say Solaris, AIX or anything else it REQUIRES me to download (before: buy) $COMMERCIAL_SOUNDSYSTEM? "In order to use this program you need to have OSS installed." That sounds insane to say the least. // Stefan download $COMMERCIAL_SOUNDSYSTEM ins --------------enigB3AE9567E1FF9CF06A86C72E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDu5oPBrn2kJu9P78RA0f8AJ45WPcjZMbQdrhJmkYFuhgVvOQmtwCeN8zQ xb+DmfKBUY/kjI3lvqceCtY= =Pq+J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB3AE9567E1FF9CF06A86C72E-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/