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Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> Also more than four years exist another thing: generaly sound suport
> in Linux kernel is broken by design. Points where it is broken:
> 
> 1) ALSA API forces not use devices files and many things on sound
> managing level are handled on user space library. This dissallow
<snip>
> 2) ALSA API is to complicated: most applications opens single sound 
> stream. All what system user expect it is plaing sound by more then
<snip>
> 3) ALSA kernel architecture is to complicated. This main reason why 
> configuring sound on Linux is SO COMPLICATED. From my system:
<snip>
> ALSA is also requires much more bigger code size than OSS variant 
> (count all snd* modules size, jackd and libasound and compare this
> with OSS modules and user space OSS library size). Simillar is on
<snip>

oh yeah. why is linux so fscking big? my olde msdos would fit on one 
floppy. whiiine.

what a load of crap. alsa is a serious architecture meant for serious, 
maximally efficient usage with all kinds of (wildly different) hardware.

desktop stuff and "you have mail" beeps are a fscking corner case.

this is like whining about the oh so complex networking infrastructure 
and iptables and constantly reminiscing how simple it used to be to set 
up a modem on /dev/ttyS0.

get real.


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