Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932137AbWAEXt4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:49:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752306AbWAEXt4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:49:56 -0500 Received: from dspnet.fr.eu.org ([213.186.44.138]:63493 "EHLO dspnet.fr.eu.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751428AbWAEXty (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:49:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:49:51 +0100 From: Olivier Galibert To: Joern Nettingsmeier Cc: Tomasz K?oczko , Jaroslav Kysela , Pete Zaitcev , Alistair John Strachan , Adrian Bunk , Tomasz Torcz , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , ALSA development , James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, LKML Subject: Re: [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity Message-ID: <20060105234951.GA10167@dspnet.fr.eu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Galibert , Joern Nettingsmeier , Tomasz K?oczko , Jaroslav Kysela , Pete Zaitcev , Alistair John Strachan , Adrian Bunk , Tomasz Torcz , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , ALSA development , James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, LKML References: <20050726150837.GT3160@stusta.de> <20060103193736.GG3831@stusta.de> <20060104030034.6b780485.zaitcev@redhat.com> <43BDA02F.5070103@folkwang-hochschule.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BDA02F.5070103@folkwang-hochschule.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1082 Lines: 23 On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:39:43PM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > modem dialup users know better than to chime in to networking core > discussions and complain they don't need all that complexity. why do > professional audio users always have to put up with people who only > listen to mp3s whining about a complicate API? Funnily enough, people who added SIGIO and epoll did not remove select nor limited its capabilities. The ALSA api has issues, whether you want to acknowledge them or not. The OSS api has issues too, of course. But it is there to stay, and it has advantages in some situations, like when simplicity or not depending on a shared library matters. Ignoring it is stupid. Doing your best to cripple it is stupid. The OSS api is an entrypoint in the sound system as valid and important than others. OG. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/