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Date:   Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:08:08 -0700
From:   Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: add MAP_EXCLUSIVE to create exclusive user
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:12:44AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> Some other random thoughts:
> 
>  * The page flag is probably not a good idea.  It would be probably
>    better to set _PAGE_SPECIAL on the PTE and force get_user_pages()
>    into the slow path.
>  * This really stops being "normal" memory.  You can't do futexes on it,
>    cant splice it.  Probably need a more fleshed-out list of
>    incompatible features.
>  * As Kirill noted, each 4k page ends up with a potential 1GB "blast
>    radius" of demoted pages in the direct map.  Not cool.  This is
>    probably a non-starter as it stands.
>  * The global TLB flushes are going to eat you alive.  They probably
>    border on a DoS on larger systems.
>  * Do we really want this user interface to dictate the kernel
>    implementation?  In other words, do we really want MAP_EXCLUSIVE,
>    or do we want MAP_SECRET?  One tells the kernel what do *do*, the
>    other tells the kernel what the memory *IS*.
>  * There's a lot of other stuff going on in this area: XPFO, SEV, MKTME,
>    Persistent Memory, where the kernel direct map is a liability in some
>    way.  We probably need some kind of overall, architected solution
>    rather than five or ten things all poking at the direct map.

Another random set of thoughts:

 - Should devices be permitted to DMA to/from MAP_SECRET pages?
 - How about GUP?  Can I ptrace my way into another process's secret pages?
 - What if I splice() the page into a pipe?