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Subject: Re: [Patch v5 2/6] sched/fair: Add infrastructure to store and update
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On 06/11/2019 18:53, Thara Gopinath wrote:
> On 11/06/2019 07:50 AM, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
>> On 05/11/2019 22:53, Ionela Voinescu wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 05 Nov 2019 at 16:29:32 (-0500), Thara Gopinath wrote:
>>>> On 11/05/2019 04:15 PM, Ionela Voinescu wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday 05 Nov 2019 at 16:02:00 (-0500), Thara Gopinath wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/05/2019 03:21 PM, Ionela Voinescu wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Thara,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday 05 Nov 2019 at 13:49:42 (-0500), Thara Gopinath wrote:
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> +static void trigger_thermal_pressure_average(struct rq *rq)
>>>>>>>> +{
>>>>>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
>>>>>>>> +	update_thermal_load_avg(rq_clock_task(rq), rq,
>>>>>>>> +				per_cpu(thermal_pressure, cpu_of(rq)));
>>>>>>>> +#endif
>>>>>>>> +}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did you decide to keep trigger_thermal_pressure_average and not
>>>>>>> call update_thermal_load_avg directly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For !CONFIG_SMP you already have an update_thermal_load_avg function
>>>>>>> that does nothing, in kernel/sched/pelt.h, so you don't need that
>>>>>>> ifdef. 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you are right. But later with the shift option added, I shift
>>>>>> rq_clock_task(rq) by the shift. I thought it is better to contain it in
>>>>>> a function that replicate it in three different places. I can remove the
>>>>>> CONFIG_SMP in the next version.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could still keep that in one place if you shift the now argument of
>>>>> ___update_load_sum instead.
>>>>
>>>> No. I cannot do this. The authors of the pelt framework  prefers not to
>>>> include a shift parameter there. I had discussed this with Vincent earlier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right! I missed Vincent's last comment on this in v4. 
>>>
>>> I would argue that it's more of a PELT parameter than a CFS parameter
>>> :), where it's currently being used. I would also argue that's more of a
>>> PELT parameter than a thermal parameter. It controls the PELT time
>>> progression for the thermal signal, but it seems more to configure the
>>> PELT algorithm, rather than directly characterize thermals.
>>>
>>> In any case, it only seemed to me that adding a wrapper function for
>>> this purpose only was not worth doing.
>>
>> Coming back to the v4 discussion
>> https://lore.kernel.org/r/379d23e5-79a5-9d90-0fb6-125d9be85e99@arm.com
>>
>> There is no API between pelt.c and other parts of the scheduler/kernel
>> so why should we keep an unnecessary parameter and wrapper functions?
>>
>> There is also no abstraction, update_thermal_load_avg() in pelt.c even
>> carries '_thermal_' in its name.
>>
>> So why not define this shift value '[sched_|pelt_]thermal_decay_shift'
>> there as well? It belongs to update_thermal_load_avg().
>>
>> All call sites of update_thermal_load_avg() use 'rq_clock_task(rq) >>
>> sched_thermal_decay_shift' so I don't see the need to pass it in.
>>
>> IMHO, preparing for eventual code changes (e.g. parsing different now
>> values) is not a good practice in the kernel. Keeping the code small and
>> tidy is.
> 
> I think we are going in circles on this one. I acknowledge you have an
> issue. That being said, I also understand the need to keep the pelt
> framework code tight. Also Ionela pointed out that there could be a need
> for a faster decay in which case it could mean a left shift leading to
> further complications if defined in pelt.c (I am not saying that I will
> implement a faster decay in this patch set but it is more of a future
> extension if needed!)

The issue still exists so why not discussing it here?

Placing thermal related time shift operations in a
update_*thermal*_load_avg() PELT function look perfectly fine to me.

> I can make trigger_thermal_pressure_average inline if that will
> alleviate some of the concerns.

That's not the issue here. The issue is the extra shim layer which is
unnecessary in the current implementation.

update_blocked_averages()
{
    ...
    update_rt_rq_load_avg()
    update_dl_rq_load_avg()
    update_irq_load_avg()
    trigger_thermal_pressure_average() <--- ?
    ...
}

Wouldn't a direct call to update_thermal_load_avg() here make things so
much more clear? And I'm not talking about today and about people
involved in this review.

> I would also urge you to reconsider the merits of arguing this point
> back and forth.

I just did.

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