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Date:   Mon, 2 Dec 2019 10:42:53 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] perf/bpftool: Allow to link libbpf dynamically
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On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:09 AM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen <toke@redh=
at.com> wrote:
>
> Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 1:49 AM Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> hi,
> >> adding support to link bpftool with libbpf dynamically,
> >> and config change for perf.
> >>
> >> It's now possible to use:
> >>   $ make -C tools/bpf/bpftool/ LIBBPF_DYNAMIC=3D1
> >
> > I wonder what's the motivation behind these changes, though? Why is
> > linking bpftool dynamically with libbpf is necessary and important?
> > They are both developed tightly within kernel repo, so I fail to see
> > what are the huge advantages one can get from linking them
> > dynamically.
>
> Well, all the regular reasons for using dynamic linking (memory usage,
> binary size, etc).

bpftool is 327KB with statically linked libbpf. Hardly a huge problem
for either binary size or memory usage. CPU instruction cache usage is
also hardly a concern for bpftool specifically.

> But in particular, the ability to update the libbpf
> package if there's a serious bug, and have that be picked up by all
> utilities making use of it.

I agree, and that works only for utilities linking with libbpf
dynamically. For tools that build statically, you'd have to update
tools anyways. And if you can update libbpf, you can as well update
bpftool at the same time, so I don't think linking bpftool statically
with libbpf causes any new problems.

> No reason why bpftool should be special in that respect.

But I think bpftool is special and we actually want it to be special
and tightly coupled to libbpf with sometimes very intimate knowledge
of libbpf and access to "hidden" APIs. That allows us to experiment
with new stuff that requires use of bpftool (e.g., code generation for
BPF programs), without having to expose and seal public APIs. And I
don't think it's a problem from the point of code maintenance, because
both live in the same repository and are updated "atomically" when new
features are added or changed.

Beyond superficial binary size worries, I don't see any good reason
why we should add more complexity and variables to libbpf and bpftool
build processes just to have a "nice to have" option of linking
bpftool dynamically with libbpf.


>
> -Toke
>