Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751349AbWAVVxj (ORCPT ); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:53:39 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751356AbWAVVxj (ORCPT ); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:53:39 -0500 Received: from linux01.gwdg.de ([134.76.13.21]:54740 "EHLO linux01.gwdg.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751349AbWAVVxj (ORCPT ); Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:53:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:53:29 +0100 (MET) From: Jan Engelhardt To: Alan Cox cc: Doug McNaught , gene.heskett@verizon.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] the scheduled removal of the obsolete raw driver In-Reply-To: <1137962037.19393.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <20060119030251.GG19398@stusta.de> <200601211826.02159.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1137886206.11722.1.camel@mindpipe> <200601211853.56339.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <87bqy5m8u3.fsf@asmodeus.mcnaught.org> <1137962037.19393.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1136 Lines: 31 >> > OTOH, if this database actually does have a better way, and its mature >> > and proven, then I see no reason to cripple the database people just to >> > remove what is viewed as a potentially dangerous path to the media >> > surface for the unwashed to abuse. >> >> The database people have a newer and supported way to do that, via the >> O_DIRECT flag to open(). They aren't losing any functionality. > >And they'll no doubt update to use it on their cycles of development. >Which for some large vendor systems means five years. > "The main reason there are no raw devices [in Linux] is that I personally think that raw devices are a stupid idea." (Linus Torvalds, 17 Oct 1996) http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9610.2/0030.html (wikiquote) That stands, but a raw driver found its way in someday. (And now luckily is on its way out again.) Jan Engelhardt -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/