From: Filip Brcic <brcha@users.sourceforge.net>
Organization: ETF Beograd
To: Glauber de Oliveira Costa <glommer@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPL V3 and Linux - Dead Copyright Holders
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:00:56 +0100
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=D0=94=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B0 Monday 30 January 2006 20:43, Glauber de Oliveira =
Costa =D1=98=D0=B5 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BE(=D0=BB=D0=B0):
> On 1/30/06, Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com> wrote:
> > As a software license, GPLv3 can dictate the usage rules for software
> > distributed under it, but it can't dictate the usage terms of hardware
> > and software independently developed (ex.: DRM'ed hardware and
> > proprietary user-space applications). No wording could erase that.
> > And what is suggest is not "circumvention", it's just not something
> > GPLv3 could cover.
>
> I may be missing the point here, (In case you're more than welcome to
> correct me), but ... Why? Can't a software license restrict the usage
> of the software? In which ways do you think the sentence "Don't use in
> DRM'ed hardware" differs from sentences like  "Not allowed in country
> X",  "Don't use for commercial purposes",  and other alikes ?

"Don't use in DRM'ed hardware" and "Don't use for commercial purposes" do=20
differ from "Not allowed in country X". The first two are essentially the=20
same (as far as I am aware, DRM has no use for F/OSS, it is made for=20
commercial stuff). They protect the freedom of the software. The third=20
(!country) is something different since it attacks the freedom of the=20
software. Equivalents (or similar thoughts) would be "Don't use in DRM'ed=20
hardware", "Don't use for commercial purposes" and "Use in any country you=
=20
want".

> I think
> that saying in which hardware your software can or cannot run is a
> pretty valid license term (without messing with the question about it
> being the right thing to do here).

I agree that it is a valid term. I wouldn't like to see my program running =
on=20
some obscure DRM'ed hardware when I made it to be free.

As far as I can see, Linus wants to allow usage of Linux in DRM'ed hardware=
=20
(for ex. future mobile phones). He wants to allow usage, but he hopes that=
=20
the customers would make companies disband DRM (and similar=20
crypto/obscure/... stuff). If that is the case, I don't agree with his=20
oppinion that the customers could do anything. Most of the "customers" have=
=20
no problem with DRM, and look-a-likes. Most of the customers still use m$ w=
in=20
and office, and others think that os x is an free/open operating system.

> Besides that, I pretty much agree with the rest of your mail.

I do too, but I don't think that "To stop it, just don't buy any of it." is=
=20
the solution of the problem. It would be a solution if most of the customer=
s=20
would do so.

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