Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:13:03 -0800
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org>
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Subject: Re: [patch 3/4] net: Percpufy frequently used variables --
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Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 07:16:00PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 03:01:06PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > Here's an implementation which delegates tuning of batching to the user.  We
> > > don't really need local_t at all as percpu_counter_mod is not safe against
> > > interrupts and softirqs  as it is.  If we have a counter which could be
> > > modified in process context and irq/bh context, we just have to use a
> > > wrapper like percpu_counter_mod_bh which will just disable and enable bottom
> > > halves.  Reads on the counters are safe as they are atomic_reads, and the
> > > cpu local variables are always accessed by that cpu only.
> > > 
> > > (PS: the maxerr for ext2/ext3 is just guesstimate)
> > 
> > Well that's the problem.  We need to choose production-quality values for
> > use in there.
> 
> The guesstimate was loosely based on keeping the per-cpu batch at atleast 8
> on reasonably sized systems, while not letting maxerr grow too big.  I guess
> machines with cpu counts more than 128 don't use ext3 :).  And if they do,
> they can tune the counters with a higher maxerr.  I guess it might be a bit
> ugly on the user side with all the if num_possibl_cpus(), but is there a
> better alternative?
> 
> (I plan to test the counter values for ext2 and ext3 on a 16 way box, and
> change these if they turn out to be not so good)

OK, thanks.  Frankly I think I went overboard on the scalability thing when
adding percpu counters to ext2 and ext3.  I suspect they're not providing
significant benefit over per-sb-spinlock and a ulong.

> > 
> > > Comments?
> > 
> > Using num_possible_cpus() in that header file is just asking for build
> > errors.  Probably best to uninline the function rather than adding the
> > needed include of cpumask.h.
> 
> Yup,
> 
> Here it is.
> 
> Change the percpu_counter interface so that user can specify the maximum
> tolerable deviation.

OK, thanks.  I need to sit down and a) remember why we're even discussing
this and b) see what we've merged thus far and work out what it all does ;)

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