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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s6si530535otq.115.2020.02.05.13.38.20; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@joelfernandes.org header.s=google header.b=jTR2YIUM; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727457AbgBEVgK (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:36:10 -0500 Received: from mail-qv1-f67.google.com ([209.85.219.67]:36568 "EHLO mail-qv1-f67.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727149AbgBEVgK (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:36:10 -0500 Received: by mail-qv1-f67.google.com with SMTP id db9so1872468qvb.3 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelfernandes.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P4SUvxXEKaxhwl4QO0wMSpVsP3xQz+B522JyEK1/MKI=; b=jTR2YIUMIeXEgWRJ4CRvkDflcfAWXOtxEamyatnZe8/yHFon5IWrud/GdlyeWSj7Uq s1CXVzLiDRbtPU/bDTt6cBK3nygDa1nRkCHCbey5tX2M9lnIAiA0MQI+iAF/QOaHzLWA Mx3GLVDVtANYuXWMca6rnh9034n8vvcm09z48= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P4SUvxXEKaxhwl4QO0wMSpVsP3xQz+B522JyEK1/MKI=; b=Ak3ifx5OpIEHk8x/0wu58JuFioWf2XWm0DpPKIe8MpCJNax9ic0bXd4qInyOjrvO/u hY6xSW4zuz3sZjZM6Kgf3byJ/kT187wSLTeo4XfpiRLaA0i7zIaAlso5af7fdhV5fRue oB6xcRj9QPjOv7ZgXZebj7khU/uDV7JTcEcxERFs5/15BX4w6iywhWRgHpnUWsyqTvnF qc4tDR4kZN1Lc61r2SOtoeQclbnjk0GJrb5OxRACOM7nzp7Mkr5Ya6w29A/StFOLrHmn uHD6EC58oDsjwg/+49gpeYz22y4ljiF/Wtsl6Jmauk0WZiu7JeGOSsuNhczqO37i9YOe SAOg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXmu9bw2Vv28p/cSTVZv/skA3vnYnqCvKa8nYNSMjSOwTFFZ5on SVKqZRxrxlTTVBEQsBgzpxgESzPM8JmAoDrOim8K3g== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f685:: with SMTP id p5mr34308684qvn.44.1580938568781; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:36:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200205154629.GA1257054@kroah.com> <20200205160250.GG142103@google.com> <20200205171353.GI142103@google.com> <20200205213354.GB1465126@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20200205213354.GB1465126@kroah.com> From: Joel Fernandes Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:35:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert kheaders feature To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Olof Johansson , Alexei Starovoitov , Masahiro Yamada , Michal Marek , Jonathan Corbet , Thomas Gleixner , Tejun Heo , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , David Howells , Patrick Bellasi , Krzysztof Kozlowski , linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , Linux Kernel Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 1:33 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: [snip] > > > like the BTF approach is significantly better and said users are > > > hopefully moving forward to it quickly, and if they can't move > > > forward, then they're likely also not going to move forward to newer > > > kernels either? > > > > I think BCC runs on a lot of upstream machines. I think the migration > > strategy is a matter of opinion, one way is to take it out and cause some > > pain in the hope that users/tools will migrate soon (while probably carrying > > the reverted patches out of tree). Another is to migrate the tools first and > > then take it out (which has its own disadvantages such as introducing even > > more users of it while it is still upstream). > > Do we "know" what tools today require this, and what needs to be done to > "fix" them? If we don't know that, then there's no way to drop this, > pretty much ever :( Is there a real reason to drop it or a problem dropping this solves though? thanks, - Joel