Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:16:02 -0500
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Linux drivers management
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Cc: Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net>,
       David Chow <davidchow@shaolinmicro.com>
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On Monday 06 February 2006 13:31, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>> I think I am in a different position like you guys, I've been work
>> with Linux from programmer level to Linux promotion . My goal is not
>> just focus on Linux technical or programming, I would like to
>> promote this operating system to not just for programmers, but also
>> non-technical end-users .
>
>Since you invoke end-users I'll answer.

So will I, but this message says it better than one of my rants would.
So I'll just second it and add:

Get used to it David, you are NOT going to change it with anything 
resembling your current arguments, which IMO do nothing but waste 
bandwidth, and busy peoples time.  Go away, way away.  Go sabotage a 
winderz project and leave us the hell alone.

>This end-user is mad at hell at people like you that advocate
> separating drivers from mainline.
>
>Do you really think us end-users enjoy hunting your drivers all over
> the net because you never bothered pushing them to mainline ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy clicking though boatloads of
> HTML/js/flash forms that will inform us about vastly important things
> like your custom license, the mirror list you want us to master or
> your dog's birthday ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy learning all your out-of-tree driver
>release and build processes because you couldn't be bothered with
> using the same one as the kernel ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy locating the patch that will "fix" your
>driver for our kernel because you do not bother testing anything else
>than a few kernel releases, and that only for a few months after a you
>wrote your driver ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy having out out-of-tree drivers stomp on
>each-other in their eagerness to downgrade parts our working kernel to
>whatever broken and obsolete version the developer happened to test ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy navigating support forums to find out
> who's responsible for the mess ?
>
>Do you really think we enjoy leaving in fear of a system update
> because the first thing to break will be your out-of-tree drivers ?
>
>When a driver is part of mainline it'll be in the distro kernel. It'll
>be autosetup by distro tools. It'll be auto-updated by system tools.
> Me the end user won't even have to know there is a driver involved -
> everything will "just work".
>
>Be honest and invoke developer laziness if you want. Invoke the utter
>lack of interest of some developers in packaging or making their stuff
>working on anything but their own box. Invoke their fear of a thorough
>review process. Point out that they are paid to deliver a pile of code
>by companies that care little if it's used or not. There are loads of
>actual (bad) reasons for your demand.
>
>But do not invoke end-users. Or end users will answer you.

-- 
Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
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