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From: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@suspend2.net>
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To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: Which is simpler? (Was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: [ 00/10] [Suspend2] Modules support.)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:40:41 +1000
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Hi.

On Tuesday 07 February 2006 19:37, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Po 06-02-06 22:13:36, Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 22:01 -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
> > > On 02/06/06 08:19:02PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 19:59 -0500, Jim Crilly wrote:
> > > > > I guess reasonable is a subjective term. For instance, I've seen=
=20
quite
> > > > > a few people vehemently against adding new ioctls to the kernel=20
and
> > > > > yet you'll be adding quite a few for /dev/snapshot. I'm just of=20
the
> > > > > same mind as Nigel in that it makes the most sense to me that the
> > > > > majority of the suspend/hibernation process to be in the kernel.=
=20
> > > >=20
> > > > No one is saying that ANY new ioctls are bad, just that the KISS
> > > > principle of engineering dictates that it's bad design to use=20
ioctls
> > > > where a simple read/write to a sysfs file will do.
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > I understand that, but shouldn't the KISS principle also be applied=20
to
> > > the user interface of a feature?
> >=20
> > Personally I agree with you on suspend2, I think this is something that
> > needed to Just Work yesterday, and every day it doesn't work we are
> > losing users... but who am I to talk, I'm not the one who will have to
> > maintain it.
>=20
> It does just work in mainline now. If it does not please open bug
> account at bugzilla.kernel.org.
>=20
> If mainline swsusp is too slow for you, install uswsusp. If it is
> still too slow for you, mail me a patch adding LZW to userland code
> (should be easy).

<horrified rebuke>

Pavel!

Responses like this are precisely why you're not the most popular kernel=20
maintainer. Telling people to use beta (alpha?) code or fix it themselves=20
(and then have their patches rejected by you) is no way to maintain a part=
=20
of the kernel. Stop being a liability instead of an asset!

</horrified rebuke>

Nigel

=2D-=20
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