Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751058AbWBJEOP (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:14:15 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751059AbWBJEOP (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:14:15 -0500 Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.4]:40080 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751057AbWBJEOO (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:14:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:13:33 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Nick Piggin Cc: linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sct@redhat.com Subject: Re: msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch? Message-Id: <20060209201333.62db0e24.akpm@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: <43EC0F3F.1000805@yahoo.com.au> References: <20060209071832.10500.qmail@science.horizon.com> <20060209001850.18ca135f.akpm@osdl.org> <43EAFEB9.2060000@yahoo.com.au> <20060209004208.0ada27ef.akpm@osdl.org> <43EB3801.70903@yahoo.com.au> <20060209094815.75041932.akpm@osdl.org> <43EC0A44.1020302@yahoo.com.au> <20060209195035.5403ce95.akpm@osdl.org> <43EC0F3F.1000805@yahoo.com.au> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1331 Lines: 25 Nick Piggin wrote: > > I don't think anyone would use MS_ASYNC for anything other than > performance improvement, so it is not like we need super well > defined behaviour... the earlier it will start IO AFAIKS the better. Well, no. Consider a continuously-running application which modifies its data store via MAP_SHARED+msync(MS_ASYNC). If the msync() immediately started I/O, the disk would be seeking all over the place all the time. The queue merging and timer-based unplugging would help here, but it won't be as good as a big, infrequent ascending-file-offset pdflush pass. Secondly, consider the behaviour of the above application if it is modifying the same page relatively frequently (quite likely). If MS_ASYNC starts I/O immediately, that page will get written 10, 100 or 1000 times per second. If MS_ASYNC leaves it to pdflush, that page gets written once per 30 seconds, so we do far much less I/O. We just don't know. It's better to leave it up to the application designer rather than lumping too many operations into the one syscall. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/