Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751091AbWBJEwT (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:52:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751093AbWBJEwT (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:52:19 -0500 Received: from smtp202.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([216.136.129.92]:13461 "HELO smtp202.mail.sc5.yahoo.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751091AbWBJEwS (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:52:18 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T/zOqvS4sXUBES7ruthhA4I3yuYOASkpH9fnvjIyaJVqr+BzLsdSxByQYpXlNhcfqg0/76dRQ5OZ5wo9N83K5AKN3xELecKdzmEDtoTYhMy+da3qVz9AwKvb3Nn0tUIBWPuYRD1h34saNl5b9llSb3sCfE8WaDnglOumpeDcUSc= ; Message-ID: <43EC1BFF.1080808@yahoo.com.au> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:15 +1100 From: Nick Piggin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Morton CC: linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sct@redhat.com Subject: Re: msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch? References: <20060209071832.10500.qmail@science.horizon.com> <20060209001850.18ca135f.akpm@osdl.org> <43EAFEB9.2060000@yahoo.com.au> <20060209004208.0ada27ef.akpm@osdl.org> <43EB3801.70903@yahoo.com.au> <20060209094815.75041932.akpm@osdl.org> <43EC0A44.1020302@yahoo.com.au> <20060209195035.5403ce95.akpm@osdl.org> <43EC0F3F.1000805@yahoo.com.au> <20060209201333.62db0e24.akpm@osdl.org> <43EC16D8.8030300@yahoo.com.au> <20060209204314.2dae2814.akpm@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: <20060209204314.2dae2814.akpm@osdl.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1738 Lines: 47 Andrew Morton wrote: > Nick Piggin wrote: > >>>Secondly, consider the behaviour of the above application if it is modifying >> >> > the same page relatively frequently (quite likely). If MS_ASYNC starts I/O >> > immediately, that page will get written 10, 100 or 1000 times per second. >> > If MS_ASYNC leaves it to pdflush, that page gets written once per 30 >> > seconds, so we do far much less I/O. >> > >> > We just don't know. It's better to leave it up to the application designer >> > rather than lumping too many operations into the one syscall. >> >> Well it remains the same conceptual operation (asynchronously "schedule" >> dirty pages for writeout). However it simply becomes more useful to start >> the writeout immediately, given that's the (pretty explicit) hint that is >> given to us. > > > If you want to start the I/O now, fine, start the I/O now. > > If you don't want to start I/O now, fine, don't start I/O now. > > If msync() were to unconditionally start I/O, you don't get that option. > Huh? Sure you do. If you want to start the IO *now* without waiting on it, call msync(MS_ASYNC) If you don't want to start the IO now, that's really easy, do nothing. If you want to start the IO now and also wait for it to finish, call msync(MS_SYNC) Presently, the first option is unavailable. > It's pretty simple, isn't it? > Yes. -- SUSE Labs, Novell Inc. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/