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Date:   Fri, 21 Feb 2020 12:51:03 +0100
From:   Roger Pau =?utf-8?B?TW9ubsOp?= <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To:     "Durrant, Paul" <pdurrant@amazon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add callbacks for
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:33:42AM +0000, Durrant, Paul wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com>
> > Sent: 21 February 2020 10:22
> > To: Durrant, Paul <pdurrant@amazon.co.uk>
> > Cc: Agarwal, Anchal <anchalag@amazon.com>; Valentin, Eduardo
> > <eduval@amazon.com>; len.brown@intel.com; peterz@infradead.org;
> > benh@kernel.crashing.org; x86@kernel.org; linux-mm@kvack.org;
> > pavel@ucw.cz; hpa@zytor.com; tglx@linutronix.de; sstabellini@kernel.org;
> > fllinden@amaozn.com; Kamata, Munehisa <kamatam@amazon.com>;
> > mingo@redhat.com; xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Singh, Balbir
> > <sblbir@amazon.com>; axboe@kernel.dk; konrad.wilk@oracle.com;
> > bp@alien8.de; boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com; jgross@suse.com;
> > netdev@vger.kernel.org; linux-pm@vger.kernel.org; rjw@rjwysocki.net;
> > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; vkuznets@redhat.com; davem@davemloft.net;
> > Woodhouse, David <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add callbacks
> > for PM suspend and hibernation
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:56:54AM +0000, Durrant, Paul wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com>
> > > > Sent: 21 February 2020 09:22
> > > > To: Durrant, Paul <pdurrant@amazon.co.uk>
> > > > Cc: Agarwal, Anchal <anchalag@amazon.com>; Valentin, Eduardo
> > > > <eduval@amazon.com>; len.brown@intel.com; peterz@infradead.org;
> > > > benh@kernel.crashing.org; x86@kernel.org; linux-mm@kvack.org;
> > > > pavel@ucw.cz; hpa@zytor.com; tglx@linutronix.de;
> > sstabellini@kernel.org;
> > > > fllinden@amaozn.com; Kamata, Munehisa <kamatam@amazon.com>;
> > > > mingo@redhat.com; xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org; Singh, Balbir
> > > > <sblbir@amazon.com>; axboe@kernel.dk; konrad.wilk@oracle.com;
> > > > bp@alien8.de; boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com; jgross@suse.com;
> > > > netdev@vger.kernel.org; linux-pm@vger.kernel.org; rjw@rjwysocki.net;
> > > > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; vkuznets@redhat.com;
> > davem@davemloft.net;
> > > > Woodhouse, David <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] xen-blkfront: add
> > callbacks
> > > > for PM suspend and hibernation
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 05:01:52PM +0000, Durrant, Paul wrote:
> > > > > > > Hopefully what I said above illustrates why it may not be 100%
> > > > common.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, that's fine. I don't expect it to be 100% common (as I guess
> > > > > > that the hooks will have different prototypes), but I expect
> > > > > > that routines can be shared, and that the approach taken can be
> > the
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example one necessary difference will be that xenbus initiated
> > > > > > suspend won't close the PV connection, in case suspension fails.
> > On PM
> > > > > > suspend you seem to always close the connection beforehand, so you
> > > > > > will always have to re-negotiate on resume even if suspension
> > failed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I'm mostly worried about is the different approach to ring
> > > > > > draining. Ie: either xenbus is changed to freeze the queues and
> > drain
> > > > > > the shared rings, or PM uses the already existing logic of not
> > > > > > flushing the rings an re-issuing in-flight requests on resume.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that's needs consideration. I don’t think the same semantic can
> > be
> > > > suitable for both. E.g. in a xen-suspend we need to freeze with as
> > little
> > > > processing as possible to avoid dirtying RAM late in the migration
> > cycle,
> > > > and we know that in-flight data can wait. But in a transition to S4 we
> > > > need to make sure that at least all the in-flight blkif requests get
> > > > completed, since they probably contain bits of the guest's memory
> > image
> > > > and that's not going to get saved any other way.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, that makes sense and something along this lines should be
> > > > added to the commit message IMO.
> > > >
> > > > Wondering about S4, shouldn't we expect the queues to already be
> > > > empty? As any subsystem that wanted to store something to disk should
> > > > make sure requests have been successfully completed before
> > > > suspending.
> > >
> > > What about writing the suspend image itself? Normal filesystem I/O
> > > will have been flushed of course, but whatever vestigial kernel
> > > actually writes out the hibernation file may well expect a final
> > > D0->D3 on the storage device to cause a flush.
> > 
> > Hm, I have no idea really. I think whatever writes to the disk before
> > suspend should actually make sure requests have completed, but what
> > you suggest might also be a possibility.
> > 
> > Can you figure out whether there are requests on the ring or in the
> > queue before suspending?
> 
> Well there's clearly pending stuff in the ring if rsp_prod != req_prod :-)

Right, I assume there's no document that states what's the expected
state for queues &c when switching PM states, so we have to assume
that there might be in-flight requests on the ring and in the driver
queues.

> As for internal queues, I don't know how blkfront manages that (or whether it has any pending work queue at all).

There are no internal queues, just the generic ones from blk_mq which
every block device has IIRC.

Thanks, Roger.