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McKenney" , Randy Dunlap , Jonathan Corbet Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v8 1/2] sched/numa: introduce per-cgroup NUMA locality info Message-ID: <20200221154706.GI18400@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20200214151048.GL14914@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200217115810.GA3420@suse.de> <881deb50-163e-442a-41ec-b375cc445e4d@linux.alibaba.com> <20200217141616.GB3420@suse.de> <114519ab-4e9e-996a-67b8-4f5fcecba72a@linux.alibaba.com> <20200221142010.GT3420@suse.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200221142010.GT3420@suse.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 02:20:10PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote: > I fully acknowledge that this may have value for sysadmins and may be a > good enough reason to merge it for environments that typically build and > configure their own kernels. I doubt that general distributions would > enable it but that's a guess. OTOH, many sysadmins seem to 'rely' on BPF scripts and other such fancy things these days. ( of course, we have the open question on what happens when we break one of those BPF 'important' scripts ... ) My main reservation with this patch is that it exposes, to userspace, an ABI that is very hard to interpret and subject to implementation details. So while it can be disabled; people who have it enabled might suddenly complain when we change the meaning/interpretation/whatever of these magic numbers. Michael; you seem to have ignored the tracepoint / BPF angle earlier in this discussion; that is not something that could/would work for you?